Did Jack Johnson benefit from being born at the right time?

The Klits will definitely be considered atg's as soon as they retire, tbh i thought they were already. But i have to say, yes they do fight the best available but you can't inflate their greatness because of that, it goes by who is available. For all we know Wlad might be good enough to dominate a great era, but we don't know that, if he is that good then it's not his fault he came along in a **** era, he's unlucky, but the fact is his resume shows dominance of a **** heavyweight era. We can't rate someone on speculation.

Ricardo Lopez is seen on here as overrated, because his opposition which he totally took the **** out of was not great. It's pretty clear how good a fighter Lopez was, and much better than Wlad too, so if people are going to be consistent then the same logic should be applied to Wlad.

For me Wlad is great, but it's to an extent, i can't help but look into his losses, i always have, for me someone like Sonny Liston would blitz him. Forgive me for keeping reservations about a man who i think would get totally blitzed by a fellow great.

 

good post although i think you overate the klits a bit . another fighter you could throw into the pot about lack of great competition is khaosai galaxy he is a fighter a like to watch and was again dominate but on here he is always jumped on over the lack of quality opposition he faced

 

Sorry if it came across that way, i meant the opposite, i don't rate them that highly at all as fighters really, i was just saying 'for all we know they could be good enough to dominate a great era' to be objective. My thoughts on Wlad really lie with my comments about him vs Sonny Liston.

Yeah i agree on Galaxy, i always bring that up in discussions on here.

 

I he'd come along later,he'd have got a title shot at an earlier age. I'm talking the 1940's onwards.

 

Dominant. Sorry, brother, but this is the classic forum. :blurp

 

thats ok
i am not educated so don't care about the classic forum wanting correct grammar

 

eslubin is fast becoming the no.1 P4P poster

 

My new sig! This applies to not only Johnson but any boxer. Why do haters feel it's important to degrade a fighter's rep if they truly "despise" them? Dragging a fighter's name in the mud doesn't hurt them, it PROMOTES them.

Me too. It's sickening to look at these so called "athletes" in the current hvy divison.

 

Well, all things considered, I wouldn't agree with this threads thesis ....

In a purely boxing sense, Jack was either helped or hurt by the interest in having a white contender take his title. If Jack would have fought and beaten Joe and the Sam's, that really would have put some luster on his legacy; but if the fights would have turned out otherwise ....

I do think Jack vs Jeanette, McVey or Langford would have made money for all involved; I do think people who didn't fancy Johnson would mostly have gotten behind those guys.

 

Put it this way.

If he was born at the right time, then I would hate to see the backlash against his title reign if he had been born at the wrong time!

 

Mercer? Briggs?

Jack Johnson didn't lose too many rounds either.

 

Who is eslubin? I mean, really?

 

The guy was fighting the best heavyweights in the world after his first few profesional fights and you get to call him a coward?

Get a reality check mate.

 

I know, i ask myself this question. He's not your average joe. The prescence of his posts come across with authority and seem to carry an official trademark. All i know is that ESB is a better place with him in it.