Did Jim Jeffries Benefit From Being Born At The Right Time?

If there was a heavyweight who was matched vs the best in his time on the way up faster than Jeffries was, I want to know his name.

Boucher makes the same mistakes the old poster McVey did. They are the same person. Once again Mcvey, Jeffries fought Munore at 210 pounds. Kennedy was often over 200 pounds as well. Jeffries Ko'd Dunkenhorst in a 4 round ex match, and he was 230+. It seems the bigger slower fighters did not last as long.

No Jeffries was not born at the right time. The lack of money around 1904 was a big reason why Jeffries retired. Jeffries said if there was interest he would fight Hart, who defeated Johnson in 1905. No one wanted to see a mismatch. In fact the Munroe massacre ( By the way Munroe later went the distance with Johnson out of shape ) damaged boxing. Fans did not want to pay money to see two round affairs.

 

In the year 1904, can you list ten better heavyweights that Jeffries had not already fought and beaten? I not sure I could. Munroe was likely a top ten guy in 1904, who had a good KO percentage, lasted 4 rounds with Jeffries ( although Munore was floored a few times ), and had never been stopped.

 

I suppose hindsight takes the luster out of wins but I agree with what you have to say. He did beat everyone that was put in front of him despite ducking a few fighters like McVea and Johnson (pre-retirement) but he was a solid champ.

Incidentally I read up on Jeffries a few years ago and came to a similar conclusion. My post history reflects this as I used to have him in the top 10 and now I don't after further consideration.

Good Thread.

 

I said Munroe was top ten in 1904. You only named four people. Ruhlin in 1904 was in huge decline, I would take Munroe at that point. Indeed Rulin was fought 4 times in 1904, and only won once. And Ferguson is debatable. So you really only listed two names Johnson, and Hart in 1904, and Hart would defeat Jonson in 1905....which shows Johnson chances vs. Jeffries from 1899-1904 would be slim. As I said before, Munore was in his prime, beat two past greats had a decent ring record, and had the distinction of lasing 4 round rounds in an exhibition match with Jeffries.

Your take on Corbett at 33 was hilarious! Corbett was in tip top shape and his own people said his first effort vs. Jeffries was his best fight! Who are you to say differently? Also if you read a quality round by round report, you will see the Jeffries was slightly the better, and had the type of defense to make even Corbett miss.

As for Fitz, he was hardly washed up in the second Jeffries fight. After losing to Jeffries, Fitz came back to destroy Sharkey and Ruhlin, and literally killed another fighter. Is this the mark of a past his prime fighter? Hell no. In fact, Fitz still had enough left post Jeffries 2 to beat a very good Gardiner for the light heavyweight tittle, flooring Gardiner a few times. In the re-match it is likely Fitz, who had life taking power put something in his gloves or on his wraps, and it still was not enough to beat Jeffries.

To close, Nat Fleischer said Jeffries the best competition. Yet you attempt a reverse copycat type of thread and suggest he was born at the wrong time by using numbers without interpreting what really mattered?. The only way I would agree with that is he should have been born later so we could have more film on him. Jeffries title reign included five matches with hall of fame fighters. Those who were not hall of fame quality did not last long.

 

I thought you were done speaking to me and did not give a damn? You lie like Mcvey and can't seem to honor your own ignore requests. Back to boxing... No reply on Munroe being viewed as a top ten guy in 1904? I wonder why. Yes, I have read that report before. Corbett had a great camp, regained his skill, was near his ideal fighting weight of 190 pounds and wanted to win the title back at age 33. As I told you Corbett's camp considered this his best ring effort. In other words, Jeffires beat Corbett an one his best days.

The fight was close until about round 17, where Jeffries took over. Jeffries was 30 pounds heavier? Really? Where did you learn that! Willard had weight on Dempsey. Many fighters had weight on Louis too.