Just watched JCC vs Meldrick Taylor

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  1. Rexrapper 1

    Rexrapper 1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    IMO the fight shouldn't have been stopped. There was only 2 seconds left! What is Chavez going to do with 2 seconds left? You stop a fight so the fighter won't take anymore punishment. How can he take punishment with 2 seconds left and Chavez was across the ring?
     
  2. MAG1965

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    I agree with you, but you will get arguments from others here.
     
  3. MAG1965

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    if Steele was going to stop it if it was the middle of round 8 instead of round 12, why should it matter if 2 seconds are left? Meldrick could not continue.
     
  4. Rexrapper 1

    Rexrapper 1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That is debatable if he could continue. Tech the ref was correct. In the middle of the 8th yes it would matter. It was only 2 seconds left in the 12th round though. What Chavez is going to run across the ring and KO with 2 seconds left? The clock would have ran out.
     
  5. darryl1914

    darryl1914 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was a shitty stoppage...PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!! Check out the Video and most impprtantly "Turn on your Brain" for a few seconds and watch while answering a some questions. Referee Richard Steele waives it off at the :04 mark...right? How many seconds would it take to do THREE THINGS:

    1. Ask the fighter to walk "toward me?"
    2. Then rub the fighters gloves clean.
    3. Then tell the fighter to continue while the other fighter comes "from the neutral corner" to engage and resume the fight.

    All that takes 6-8 seconds....If you don't believe the time, try it. There would have been NO More shots taken, NO More Punches Thrown...it would have been simply, THE END OF THE ROUND....You guys act as if there was 2:00 left in the round and that there would have 60 or More Punches thrown if Steele didn't waive it off. And what's Hilarious is that some of the same Mutha'fukas saying it was a Good Stoppage, are the ones claiming that Kenny Bayless was completely wrong and should be BANNED from the Sport for Waiving off Cotto in the Pacquiao fight. Saying that Bayless should have allowed Cotto to finish "LIKE A CHAMPION". Well if you believe that...Why Shouldn't Taylor be allowed to finished LIKE THAT SAME CHAMPION in a fight HE WAS WINNING AND LOOKED SENSATIONAL AT TIMES....While Cotto was beaten and battered from the Opening Bell (with a decent round here n' there).

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wm18vkXRF0[/ame]
     
  6. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why in hell would a referee follow the three steps you talk about if when he's determined that the fighter is not ready to continue?????


    We're you asking Steele to have been thinking, "wait, I dont care if Meldrick is done, by the time I tell him to come foward, and I wipe his gloves clean, time will have expired."

    Look and analyze what you've just posted here.
    You are asking Steele who had already determined that Taylor was not fit to continue, to have bought more time and gone through more motions simply for the time to have expired.:patsch

    ......nah, that would not have been unfair to Chavez!:nut
     
  7. darryl1914

    darryl1914 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What you call "buying more time and going through the motion"...is what I and every other Boxing Fan call: DOING YOUR ****ING JOB!!!!!
     
  8. MAG1965

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    the stopping of fights is about protecting the fighter. if he cannot continue, the fact that a fighter can run over and get another punch off doesn't matter. It was not about helping Meldrick win a fight, at that point he was done fighting. Meldrick never had great defense and in this fight it hurt him. If Meldrick really wanted to win the fight he should have stayed on his feet. He didn't. Fast hands but poor defense. I never understood that argument which was used by many people back in 1990 and now about somehow Steele should let Meldrick continue because Chavez couldn't get over to him quick enough to do more damage. I think it would be worse for Steele to look at the clock and let the fight go 2 seconds just because Meldrick would win the fight. That would almost be a conflict of interest. Duva was screaming and Meldrick looked over at him, which made Steele think Meldrick was hurt badly. Had Meldrick looked at Steele and kept his gaze on him Steele would have probably let the fight go on.
     
  9. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sarcasticism.
     
  10. MAG1965

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    did you see Meldrick's face? it was all swollen and he was finished. Steele did an excellent job. It was not about bending the time and making it so that Meldrick won. A fight can be stopped anytime before the final bell rings. As a matter of fact, the way JCC and Meldrick fought during the years after this fight proves the stoppage was justified.
     
  11. divac

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    You ought to start up a petition and turn it in to boxing commisions in an effort to allow the ref to call timeout and let time expire when ever he thinks there might just be seconds to go in a fight.:lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
  12. darryl1914

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    You guys are complete ****ing Idiots!!! If Steele would have asked Taylor to 'Walk Toward me" (Like every other Ref in Boxing), to see if a fighter has his equalibrium, and if Taylor wobbled or stumbled...Then it would have been obvious that he didn't have his legs.Then I would be the first to say "GOOD STOPPAGE!!!" But Steele didn't do that. What happened was Ridiculous and Unfair to BOTH FIGHTERS!!!

    But Obvously Common Sense and Logic don't work very well in ESB!!! So MY BAD!!!
     
  13. MAG1965

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    Look at Meldrick after he was hit at 24 seconds remaining in the round. He stumbles to the corner and then gets knocked down at 16 seconds. Maybe he should have kept running or put his hands up and blocked the punch. He didn't. So he wobbles to the corner and Chavez hits him with the right hand and Meldrick goes down. Meldrick struggles to get up and falls back into the corner and Steele looks at him counting and looks at his eyes and Meldrick looks away with his hands down. How is that a bad stoppage? I never understood the argument in this fight. If a man cannot continue the ref stops the fight. Meldrick could not take one more punch. You don't let a fight continue so one fighter wins just on the fact Chavez cannot make it to Meldrick to knock him down again. That would be the ref. working in the favor of Meldrick. Meldrick lost this fight. Steele did not take it from him. Let's put it this way, had Steele allowed Meldrick to get to the end of round 12, you would have had a guy all busted up in the face and who was ready to be stopped winning the fight. There would have been an immediate rematch and Chavez would have won in about 9 or 10 rounds by stoppage.
     
  14. darryl1914

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    You know what...You're Right. Taylor was Awful, Terrible Fighter, Good Stoppage, Shouldv've have been stopped Several Rounds earlier.
     
  15. divac

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    For God's sake be civil Darryl.

    You dont ask a fighter who has not responded your questions, or given any indication he's in shape to continue, to walk toward you.
    ......a ref just does'nt ask a fighter to walk toward him unless the fighter has signalled to him he can continue.

    I see it all the time after knockdowns, say Taylor would have responded to Steele's question and said, "I'm ok."
    .......then the next step from Steele would have been to instruct Taylor to walk toward him to make certain he's fit to continue.
    ......but when Taylor does'nt respond to Steele's question of "are you Ok?"...........Fight over!


    Thats an easy call for a ref.....but at the very least Darryl, you should be truthful to yourself and at least admit it was a tough call for Steele to make.

    .......the way you argue that it was a disgrace of a call, just makes you look foolish.