The Small Reason Why Manny Pacquiao May Beat Floyd Mayweather

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  1. AFBlues

    AFBlues Well-Known Member Full Member

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    By Patrick White: At present the most anticipated possible fight in the sport of boxing is Manny Pacquiao versus Floyd Mayweather. The interest centres on a number of interrelated factors. They are by most accounts the two best pound-for-pound boxers in the world. They have very different boxing styles; with Pacquiao being primarily an offensive fighter, and Mayweather being primarily defensive. They also have contrasting personalities. While Pacquiao is generally polite and humble, Mayweather is often brash and self-aggrandizing. But who is likely to win should they ever agree to fight?

    The deciding factor in my opinion will centre on Pacquiao’s unique ability to throw high and low punches within a single combination, without changing his body position, and whilst moving forward or standing still. That is, the way he can throw a head-shot and then within the same sequence of punches follow it up with a body shot – or throw a body shot followed by a headshot – without moving his head or torso very significantly, and at the same time remaining stationary or advancing towards his opponent. Hopefully readers will know what I am trying to describe here, but if not have a look at Pacquiao’s fight with Antonio Margarito and keep an eye out for this move.


    A close analysis of Mayweather’s defence will help to explain why I think Pacquiao’s ability to quickly transition between high and low punches may prove decisive. When an opponent is attacking Mayweather’s head or upper-body he almost always remains stationary, standing with his legs wide apart so that he can more effectively duck and dodge the oncoming punches. Although a wide leg stance is extremely effective against punches targeted at ones head and shoulders – because it increases the degree to which one can lean his or her body in any given direction – it is far less effective at defending against punches thrown at the body. This is because the degree of lean progressively decreases from the head downwards – i.e. you can lean your head further than your abdomen – therefore making it more difficult for a boxer to move their lower body away from an oncoming punch, than it would be for them to move their head away from a punch. (This is the – or at least, a – reason why Mayweather utilizes the Philly Shell arm guard when defending in this manner, as the more orthodox higher arm guard would leave his lower body too exposed). By contrast, when an opponent targets Mayweather’s lower body, he tends to drop his Philly Shell arm guard very low and/or uses his feet to evade the forthcoming punches.

    With this understood I think it is clear that Mayweather would have serious problems with Pacquiao’s unusual capacity to transition seamlessly between throwing high and low punches within the same combination. If Pacquiao started a combination by throwing punches at Mayweather’s head, for example, Mayweather would automatically adopt a wide leg stance and Philly Shell arm guard, and attempt to bob and weave away from Pacquiao’s headshots. The problem for Mayweather would be that this would leave him open to getting hit when Pacquiao suddenly and un-expectantly threw a quick body shot during the same sequence.

    Alternatively, if Pacquiao were to open up a flurry with a series of body shots, Mayweather would bring his arm-guard lower down and attempt to evade the punches on foot, which would then leave his head exposed when Pacquiao threw a headshot within the same combination – something which, as I mentioned above, he is fully capable of doing when moving forward.

    While this may seem like a very minor point, I think this weakness in Mayweather’s defence relative to Pacquiao’s unusual offensive ability to quickly and seamlessly transition between high and low punches could be the difference that separates two otherwise evenly matched fighters. Indeed, I think this argument is given support by Mayweather’s recent fight with Shane Mosley. During the second round of that fight, the first of the two big right hands that Mosley landed on Mayweather – and which very nearly knocked him out – occurred after Mosley threw a low jab towards Mayweather’s abdomen. As I suggested would happen with Pacquiao should they meet, Mayweather dropped his hands to defend against this jab and was then subsequently caught with a straight right hand to the head. Pacquiao is faster, younger and able to switch between high and low shots more seamlessly than Mosley, why then would he not be able to consistently land this same type of shot? For this reason I predict that Pacquiao would beat Mayweather should they ever meet in the squared circle.
     
  2. namsu55

    namsu55 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I know it sounds stupid but I really think Mayweather would look too stiff against Pac.
     
  3. LiL

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    "They are by most accounts the two best pound-for-pound boxers in the world."

    The one is an active pound-for-pound and the other one is the vacation pound-for-pound , they should have updated criteria for pound-for-pound and one should be activity, if ever a boxer is not active for the next 6 or 10 months, he should not be on the list

    but i guess pound-for-pound is just like paper belts

    if ever FMJ vs Pac happens, i have not seen yet how defense can win over offense or maybe this time it is different since I saw clottey did such a superb defense

    i hope fmj has such defense and would be the same result like margarito not with clottey though

    LoL
     
  4. CYoungblood95

    CYoungblood95 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    seems like he tried his best to think this out, but he forgot that floyd will use a high guard going against a southpaw...and he mentions the rights which nearly "knocked HIM (MAYWEATHER) out" (LMAO) and how they were set up with jabs to the body, but he fails to mention how Floyd adjusted to this and went on to dominate Mosley..stupid article, but even AZZHOLES have opinions.
     
  5. dvb

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    i do think floyds usual advantages lessen vs pac.

    speed wise-pac can match floyd for moving around the ring,he can match if not better hand speed,he can counter just as quick and clever,he throws more fast shots quicker.

    both are equal for great stamina.
    both have great game plans.
    both are tough as nails.
     
  6. finalfight

    finalfight Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dumb. Dumber and Dumberer!

    This 'thread' is already circling the drain...

    As if no one has tried throwing high, low punch combinations against Floyd before. It just doesn't work. His defense is not as simple to calculate as position A and position B.

    Mayweather whups Emmuanuel's butt every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Deal with it *******s.
     
  7. finalfight

    finalfight Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Utter bollocks! :lol:

    He moves forward getting tagged and still keeps coming, that's his defense - no countering simply aim, pull the trigger and keep firing.
     
  8. igotJUIC3

    igotJUIC3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    right.....but what happens when adjustments are made which will happen throughout the fight?

    i dont think Pac can keep up with Floyd's adjustments and overall tactics he uses to gain advantages and negate his opponents.

    chess game in there with Floyd.....
     
  9. thefede

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    hey u dumbass, take a look at the video "was mayweather vs mosley fixed" at youtube, it expalins exectly what u are talking about and how floyd adjusted and busted mosleys ass.
     
  10. Don't Sleep

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    Good article, but here's my counter:)....

    #1 Although Pacquiao does throw unusual combos, he also leaves himself off balance and very vunerabe to right hand counters and right hand leads (Money's signature punch)

    #2 As another poster already mentioned, he fights southpaws different then conventional fighters

    #3 Mosley is longer, taller, stronger than Pacquiao. I doubt Pacquiao will be able to land clean looping shots (yes he will land a quite a few decent combos/shots, but not as flush as Mosley did)

    #4 Pacquiao doesn't use a jab to set up shots (he barely uses one at all). He uses his speed, power and stamina to out work his opponents. (Though his ring IQ seems to be improving)

    But at the end of the day, we won't know who will win if they don't fight.
     
  11. Starched Him

    Starched Him Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  12. ecdrm15

    ecdrm15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good:happy:bbb:thumbsup:deal
     
  13. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Floyd is the greatest fighter in the history of boxing. Patrick seems abit jealous.

    I bet Patrick is white.
     
  14. Chris Hansen

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    Your analysis is well written and pretty accurate, However, you fail to mention Pac's tendency to leave himself open for counters...

    If Mayweather has shown anything over the course of his career, it's his ability to counter-punch with precision, speed, power, and with impeccable timing. In my opinion, Pac is going to unload a few combinations and eventually get caught with a Mayweather right hand, and it will shut down his strategy. Pac was caught numerous times in the Marquez fights, and Mayweather is a step above Marquez when it comes to counter-punching.
     
  15. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    Can you make adjustments to someone who doesn't stop throwing? Had Oscar not gassed after 8 rounds, there's a great chance Floyd loses that fight. Talent-wise, speed, footwork, endurance, volume, Pac is miles ahead of Oscar that Floyd fought. You can't beat Pac with defense alone.