Ali - Frazier II what's your scorecard?

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  1. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Norton clearly won the 1st and imo the 3rd but the 2nd could've gone either way though I scored it for Ali by a couple of points. I also thought Young clearly won in an uneventful fight I admit though Young fought smart and forced Ali to lead and countered him well.

    Maybe I wouldn't be surprised. Boxing has a lot of shady figures moving strings in the background.
     
  2. guncho

    guncho next champion! Full Member

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    I had it 6 to 5 one round even- Frazier!
     
  3. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    :patsch
     
  4. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    7-5 Ali. One of the most boring big fights I've ever seen. Very much a 'spoiler' performance by Ali and it wasn't a strategy that sit well with anyone who likes good boxing (albeit it was 'smart' boxing) but I can't really see where Joe won this fight.
     
  5. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    8-4 Ali. Easily. Have watched it 5 times in 6 months and have not once scored it differently.

    It was spoiling, unfair tactics by Ali, but if the referee allows it, its fair game. The judge cannot, CANNOT, penalize the fighter for an infraction if the referee doesnt. If the fighter wins the round, but held to much, you can't give the other fighter the round to be spiteful. The referee sets the tone of the contest, the fighters fight inside that. Thats just the reality.

    Knowing that, and conceding Ali's spoiler tactics, there is no way to score the fight for Frazier. He landed some hard shots, but not very many, and I thought his body work looked much weaker than it did in the other two fights, and didn't seem to be bothering Ali much. Ali landed many more, far cleaner punches.

    This cannot be rewritten into a gift decision. Most ringside observers also felt Ali won.
     
  6. chinachin

    chinachin Active Member Full Member

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    Too bad Foreman was poisoned that night.
     
  7. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    8 to 4 over 12 rds for Ali.... I'd have to do a review to give precise round scoring... Ali won easy in '74... A tactical, not thrilling rematch....

    MR.BILL:bbb
     
  8. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Was n't as exciting a fight for purists as bouts 1 & 3 were,but as you say,Ali certainly boxed smart in it. His speed really stood out in certain phases. No way Frazier won it.
     
  9. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    Well I had it 116-112 Frazier in the end but I was expecting 115-113 Frazier or draw before summing rounds up. Yes it was close but I think that general perception of this fight is strange. Like it was forgotten or something. You got:

    1. Fight of the Century - glamour, show
    2. Rematch - boring, not meaningful, clear Ali win
    3. Thrilla in Manila - great vicious and dramatic fight

    I just started thinking that not so many "boxing fans" saw those fights and have they opinions from some general view.

    But I have to admit something. Frazier landed better punches that night but many of them landed when Ali was leaning his head back which slowed the impact of those blows. Looks like Muhammad's reflexes were good at that time.

    Many times when Joe landed some hook I was thinking "Man, 0,00001 second earlier this punch would be a killer".
     
  10. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    8-4 Ali.

    However, if i was the referee, then 2 points would've been deducted for the 147 leaning-clinches around Frazier's neck in 12 rounds...but still Ali would've won.
     
  11. PetethePrince

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    :happy

    Pretty much spot on.
     
  12. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    8-4 Ali. Not really a close fight for me.
     
  13. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    I just can't see 8 rounds for Muhammad. I would like to know which rounds were for Ali on your card, to compare them with my notes.
     
  14. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Jesus, why?!!!
     
  15. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Spots of prime Ali flash through, and even against a past prime Frazier, this is the fight to watch if you want some snapshots of what they'd look like together prime for prime.

    Call it nostalgia, and the fact that 67 Ali vs. 69 Frazier is the one time machine fight that I REALLY would like to see.

    The fight did suck though. No question.