Do you guys think Monzon should be rated higher, but not necessarily be able to beat Hagler, or you think Hagler rates higher also
Yes Hagler, the great one, 2-1 against the very best lightweights and welterweights. Of course he has no problem with Monzon.
Monzon was one of the most deceptive fighters ever. Both him and Sanchez remind me how at times they'd look slow, IDK if they would do it on purpose maybe to lure in their prey, and then BAM!!! they'd explode either with a crisp counter combo or a one punch knockdown. Monzon also knew how to use his jab effectively and timed his punches very good. He also seemed to pick up the tempo as the fight moved on. Monzon is not known for brutal ko power, but he could punch and had an iron jaw. Hagler was also a very good underrated technician that used a stiff powerful southpaw jab to pummel his opponents, so he could pressure on the outside or the inside. Was very heavy handed so even though he wasn't known for his speed, opponents would get rattled by his power. In his fight with Hearns, to me it was Hagler, the last of the true old school fighters from the 70's against Hearns, the athletic, speedy, flashy prototype of modern middlweight. If you think these old school fighters were inferior to the modern day ones because they were smaller, slower, and weaker, take a good look at this fight and think again. This fight has definite classic written all over it with 2 men that knew no fear and their only losses were early in their career, being non factors when these 2 ATG's were at their peak. To me it's simple, Monzon fights on the outside, he wins, but eventually one of the most physical fighters of all time will get on the inside and he will get through Monzon. It would be 15 tension filled hellraising rounds. They did have a common opponent with Bennie Briscoe, who surely would of been a champ if not for these 2. I think Monzon, a past his prime Monzon, might of faced Hagler, but like Hagler, Monzon also retired at the top, nothing else to prove while Hagler was barely approaching his prime and very hungry to make a name for himself, but sometimes being too hungry can be a bad thing and frustrate a fighter into making mistakes because he feels the pressure he has to meet an expectation. Maybe Monzon might of been too experienced for Hagler. I can see Monzon winning on a razor thin split decision and Hagler winning a rematch. Too evenly matched for me to pick.
one of the very best h2h match ups ever, Hagler by Decision. MW tourney between Greb, Hagler, Monzon and SRR for top dog ever h2h at MW.
Well, one of the five or so best fantasy match-ups that could be made in boxing history. Monzon in a razor close and controversial split decision...
The big deal is that everybody crucifies Mayweather for fighting JMM (#2 P4P, lineal lightweight champ), Hatton (top 10 P4P, undefeated, lineal jr. welter champ), and Judah (one fight removed from lineal welterweight champ). Yet Marvin Hagler is praised for his balls and opponent selection. Hypocrisy, perhaps?
Hagler cleaned out the Middleweight division in dominant fashion. What is hypocritical of those praising him for those attributes, then? The fights with Duran, Hearns, and Leonard were all big money fights and (in the case of the latter two) clamoured for by the boxing public. Hardly a detriment to the man's character. His pre-title opposition is some of the strongest in the modern era. Talk about being thrown to the wolves. The guy took on the entire golden age of Philly Middleweight boxing and came out victorious against them all before ripping away the title from a very good champion in Minter (after being jobbed against Vito during his first title shot, whom he made short work of in the rematch). I don't see any sort of connection to Mayweather that can be made.
If you can come up with the name of a middleweight that Marvin ducked,then your point would have legitimacy.Despite the fact that Marvin was obviously slipping in the Roldan fight(Larry Merchant made that point after that fight)-in his second to last fight,he took on hard-punching John Mugabi,who was ranked at the top of the middleweight food chain and had won all of his fights going into that one by knockout.