With the benefit of hindsight If you could go back in time and manage a fighter...

agree for the most part but i think g-man was ENORMOUS at 160 and could still rehydrate to a huge weight at 168. his size and pressure would make it a fight imo but jones takes it in the end

if g-man had trouble (a lot of trouble before the knockout, he was stung a few times) against a faded and small julian jackson at 160, i see jones taking him at his 168 best

 

haha, fair enough. i just think w/g-man draining from
180 to 160 was ridiculous. and if it is at super middle
i only see it benefitting g-man. freak accident stopped
what should have been a great career. i always say
that people should never assume what was going to
happen next (like when great musicians die in their peak
or athletes). but, i'm almost certain if the benn accident
didn't happen. mclellan would have been a force, on
some matthew saad muhammad freak ****. i remember
seeing some thing about benn being helped into the ring
by some dude sitting ring side and he was like "what the
hell was i doing?" he just had the natural reaction to help
benn because benn had been BLASTED out of the ring.
i remember benn saying he could feel the ligaments in
his neck been stretched when feeling those punches and
the bull **** with the ref jumping in front of gerald when
gerald could have easily gotten the TKO always pisses
me off. i think mclellan could take what roy had to offer,
i don't know if roy could take what gerald had to offer.
but, we'll never know.

 

hey, you could use that same logic when marvin johnson
was beating up on matthew franklin/matthew saad muhammad
with all of matthew's glaring defensive and technical
bad traits, but matthew still got the job done. i personally think
gerald is going to land huge on roy, and i don't think
roy would react well. roy could go passive and out box him
for 12, but it's when he gets hit that i would wonder what
would have happened.

 

IN 75, Monzon stops Hagler.

 

Oddly enough, Teddy Sanders beat some good guys in the early 80's and was a dangerous fighter . Wayyyyy overlooked, I think. :hi:

 

i don't mean to be rude, but, is that a serious question?
the fact that dude was 45 and probably should have
gotten the decision over pascal. hell yeah, b-hop
made the second taylor fight very close, destroyed
tarver & pavlik. got the decision over winky in a
closely contested bout. kept it close with calzaghe.
i think if he repeats his performance against pascal
(minus the knockdowns) he'll be the oldest champion
ever. i think his career after taylor has helped to add
to his legacy. no doubt.

 

I don't see the resemblance in logic at all. Essentially you're comparing Roy Jones to Marvin Johnson and Matt Franklin to Gerald McCllelan, neither of which make much sense to me. Franklin had a penchant for duking it out if neccessary (which it often was) because he could more than hold his own, but even in those situations he was very rarely wild, sloppy, or technically incorrect. On the outside he was one of the best left-hand oriented technical boxer-punchers of the modern era at the weight, in my opinion. Very sound technician who just happened to have the heart of a lion. G-Man had heart, durability, and power, but nowhere near the technique or mental reserve that Franklin did.

I won't even go into the Jones Jr./Johnson comparison, as there simply isn't any.

 

you're missing the point. i'm not directly comparing
the fighters. i'm saying that in both fights, franklin
was soundly outboxed by johnson (if we did who won
the most rounds). so even with that all, franklin/
muhammad was still able to take out johnson.
THAT is what i'm saying. sure jones jr would probably
out-box mcclellan but mcclellan was tough as nails
and carried some huge power. that's the only
comparison, where one boxer (like johnson or jones jr)
could outbox the other, but, one of the boxers could
withstand power and still be able to unleash his
power (like franklin or muhammad) on an opponent
that wouldn't be able to withstand it (jones jr. or johnson).
confusing, i know, but that is what i'm saying. :good

if we don't agree after that. then we'll just agree
to disagree.

 

I disagree with that, especially in the rematch, where I think Franklin handled him pretty soundly.

I hear what you're saying, I just disagree with the points of reference. I don't think pointing out that someone like Matt Franklin (who was an excellent technical puncher) could take out a defensively flawed, entirely offensively focused fighter like Marvin Johnson is in any way relevant to assuming the same thing is would hold true of a bout between two completely different fighters. McClellan has nowhere near the technical chops of Franklin and Jones nowhere near the defensive vulnerability of Johnson.

Basically, you're saying that McClellan has a puncher's chance due to his tremendous power and Roy's questionable chin, which I stated in my first post. I wouldn't count on it happening, though. I'd say the odds are largely in Roy's favor, actually.

 

i get what you're saying, although i have to point out
franklin/saad muhammad's defense was atrocious, so
that's why i brought it up. any way, i just see roy getting
caught by mcclellan and not responding well to it. on some
julian jackson/herol graham ****. haha, i usually always
go with the boxer in these match-ups, but, i would say
the puncher would prevail. a damn shame it couldn't have
happened.

 

I don't think Franklin's defense was atrocious. He's one of those fighters that gets painted with the wrong brush by the majority of fans based on his legacy and the arc of most of his fights. If you actually analyse his fights you'll see he was an excellent technician. Not a great defensive fighter reflexively, but very well sound as far as hand placement, recooperative techniques, etc. are concerned. Anyone who fights fire with fire as he did so often is going to get hit, and hit plenty. McClellan was being tagged up repeatedly by Benn even when he was offering up no offense of his own, but rather retreating on the defensive, arms by his sides, seemingly willing to eat whatever came his way. You'd never see Franklin doing something similar.

 

trust me, brah, i'm goin w/my own eyes on that
assessment of franklin/saad muhammad. that's
why the called him "miracle matthew". take a
huge beating and still be able to come back and
get the TKO/KO/victory. i've been watching nothing
but franklin/saad muhammad lately. sure, franklin/
saad muhammad kept his hands up, but, just kept
them their in a poor man's eddie chambers guard.
i never saw him bob & weave, or really slip punches,
or directly counter. don't get wrong, i ****in' love the
guy, but, defensively on a scale from 1-10 (1 being the
worst) i'd give franklin/saad muhammad a 2.5/3. his
brick chin/jaw is what kept him going in those fights
during his prime. hell johnson in the first fight, and
lopez in both fights were lighting up franklin/saad
muhammad at times. mwale was gettin to him w/ease
before saad muhammad unleashed that video game like
KO. haha, classic stuff.