Adrian Broner: The Flawed Afro-American Style

pimp you ***git why do you keep going around agreeing with everyones posts? why dont you come up with something yourself dukie?

 

Educated pressure behind a jab cutting off the ring to get inside and get to the body takes skill to employ but uneducated blind pressure with no jab, no defesne eating punches with no head movement and just following guys around throwing punches does not.

 

Alok I've presented more astute boxing insite than you and your gay father combined.:deal

 

I agree, all good Boxing is hard technically. Getting clipped coming inside goes with the territory of getting inside. Pressure fighter or not. What fighter does it successfully and doesn't get clipped? They all get clipped. That is why their decline is so dramatic. It adds up.

Understandable, but differentiate "countering to survive" and "countering to dominate/crsuh" your opponent. If you are just "doing rounds" countering? Sure it is easier to counter AFTER you understand offensive Boxing. Countering a guy into submission is a completely different level. Where you are banging him, moving back into range, forcing/daring him to throw, and banging him again until the guy doesn't even want to move his hands from his face. Hitting a guy once and moving across the ring like Broner was doing? Nope.

Again, I agree with you, a GREAT pressure fighter takes tremendous skill, but it is the skill of doing what you are doing. Being a dominant counter puncher requires you to read a man, put him in positions, and pick him apart through the fire of his onslaught. In almost any sport defense is just a more complicated skill. A counter puncher has more technical dimensions than a pressure fighter, but that is NOT saying he is better fighter or the style is better. A style is only as good as its practitioner.

 

If you are Boxing you are (hopefully) fighting with a "skill".

Pressure fighting is fighting with the offensive dimension of that skill. Your offense is so honed and effective that it becomes your defense. As you move forward and force the guy to recklessly burn energy you hope to crack him and keep him off balance to throw a good shot before he cracks you. If run into a bigger, stronger, faster guy can you fall back on counters and timing? Probably not.

Dominant counter punching requires you to have not only a mastery of the offensive dimension, but to have the ability to project that dimension into the other guy and respond to it. It is a tad bit harder to do effectively and dimensionally any counter puncher can switch to tearing into a guy offensively. The opposite CANNOT be said about 99% of pressure fighters. Only the greats are able to pull that off.

Both styles take skill. One takes a bit more. They are both effective. Many would argue, and I couldn't really disagree, that pressure fighting is more spectacularly effective.

 

Exactly. The quickest way to tell if a pressure fighter is skilled is in his jab and how he cuts off a ring. If he is chasing a guy down with a brisk trot or cutting off the ring? Skills. If he is following, getting constantly turned, winging shots, and then complaining that the other guy "won't fight"? No skills.

My beef wasn't even the discussion. My beef was the lumping of every single named Black fighter then saying "they are all Black American Style Boxers". Huh? The guys on that list are of drastically different styles and skill levels. That BS made his whole argument worthless.

 

:huh

 

pimp do you not think margarito is skilled?

 

Margarito has something broner doesnt have.... A set of balls! :deal

 

only thing skillful bout that chump is the way he can take a punch!

 

Margo is a limited plodder. His skill, if you want to classify it as that, is in his stamina and the fact that he can take an enormous ammount of punishment that's it. With that said a guy who comes forward without a jab no defense and no real gameplan isn't skilled IMO. However that doesn't mean he can't be succuessful.

 

when you are trying to pressure a counterpuncher, you have to read one step further than he does. You have to read what he will read and find a way to attack around that. It's incredibly hard.

Also, being able to get your shots off first or let your hands do takes alot of mental fortitude. That right there is another dimension.

Personally, I have more success as a counterpuncher than as a pressure fighter, but I don't think counterpunchers have more ability on average than pressure fighters.

I think offensive fighters are the most underrated fighters in boxing. Not by the casual fan who likes blood and guts, but by people who actually know (or think they know) the sport.



I see Marciano fight and I see an unbelievable boxer with a ton of ability and several dimensions, yet I've seen some idiots on the classic forum say he is not even top100

I sometimes see Henry Armstrong lose fantasy matchups against fighters like Whitaker and Mayweather and it makes me wanna puke.

 

thats bull****, you know you cant fight at the level he did without skills, plenty of fgihters have stamina and chin but not many make it to the level margo did.

 

Yes he did. Froch got a gift because he was fighting in England. The majority of ESB thought Dirrell won, including the majority of the Brits forum. The majority picked Dirrell to beat him in a rematch. You calling Dirrell not world class is almost a big a joke as you are.

 

Margarito has skill.