Floyd disrespects Hopkins - who's greater between the two?

The relevance of Tito being favored over Hopkins is...well, it's irrelevant as far as how good a middleweight he was, Bodhi. It's meaningless what the perception was. Tito was "unbeaten" but had already been outclassed by ODLH at his own best weight. Regardless of the method of victory, 154 victory over ODLH>160 victory over ODLH. 135 victory over Castillio (second fight)>160 victory over Tito, my opinion, I stand by it. I prefer Mayweather's resume. Also, he was significantly smaller than ODLH and out of his own weight class. BHOP was significantly larger and in his own weight class. I don't rate Tito highly as a middleweight and I don't rate ODLH as a middleweight period. :deal

 

Hopkins for me.

Floyd could crack the top 7 or 8 if he beats pac, cotto and martinez.

But as it stands, hopkins cleaned out a division. He then stepped up and beat the best guy at light heavyweight and has cleaned up a lot of good names in the process. He has just done loads in his career.

The two men he could have fought, imo, that he didn't, would be toney and woods. But wins over tito, holmes, joppy, oscar, tarver, wright, pavlik all eclipse that for me.

Not to mention his longevity, to be fighting at the top level for 17 years is absolutely staggering.

 

Sounds like written by a boxrec warrior. :think Got your account hacked?

 

In what way, Bodhi? By directly observing the ****ing fighters at the weights they fought at? By looking at the fact that ODLH outclassed Trinidad at his best weight somehow by seeing that he lost the decision to him on boxrec? In what way does what I said strike you as boxrec warrior thinking? Boxrec thinking would be to say "Oscar had a title at middleweight because he beat Sturm!" which would be the opposite of what I'm doing.

 

Wasn't tito 40-0 and wba middleweight champ going into the fight. And had recently smashed Fernando Vargas in one of his best performances ever. Are you trying to pretend that Jr defeated the Shane Mosley who edged DLH in 2000 or Jr defeated the DLH that was edge by Mosley.
Or pretending he beat a prime corrales. Dribble .

 

In that you ignore things like Tito coming of an annhilation of the second best mw in the world into the Hopkins fight. For example. I don´t rate Hopkins´ win over DLH high. Neither do I Mayweather´s. Both have better wins. Oscar has a better argument for beating Sturm than Tito has for beating Oscar though. Nevertheless, Tito wasn´t outclassed by DLH. If you outclass someone you don´t need to run the last four rounds. Or do you think Ottke outclassed Brewer in their second fight, too?

Thing is, you are just taking things into account that support your argument. And ignore the rest.

 

Reading comprehension is good. You should try it out. Seriously, it'll save you a lot of wasted time in your life.

 

atsch I'm not doing that at all, actually. I have a position, I stated my case for it. Do I now also have to additionally state a case for the opposing position just so everyone knows I'm familiar with everything that can support a position I'm not arguing in the first place? Jesus Christ, Bodhi. That would be somewhat pointless, wouldn't it? Imagine if lawyers had to do that. "Your honor, we never found the knife...but my client was definitely there, ****ing about the building. So, keep that in mind."

 

1. Shane Mosley-old but had a great previous performance
2. Juan Manuel Marquez-small but great, comback fight
3. Ricky Hatton-140lineal champion and undefeated
4. Oscar De La Hoya-bigger at a higher weight class
5. Carlos Manuel Baldomir-bigger but not championship level
6. Zab Judah-extreme speed only fighter hopkins faced with p4p speed like this was young roy jones jr and he lost
7. Sharmba Mitchell-not championship level, higher weight class
8. Arturo Gatti-not championship level, great heart
9. DeMarcus Corley-not championship level-but can be dangerous
10. Jose Luis Castillo-very good and new eight class
11. Jose Luis Castillo (x2)-more dominating performance than the first one
12. Jesus Chavez-had a record of 35-1 at the time and floyd was 23
13. Carlos Alberto Hernandez-not championship level but went 12 against morales
14. Diego Corrales-bigger and great fighter
15. Gregorio Vargas-not championship level
16. Genaro Hernandez-not championship level


Bernard Hopkins



Victories over Champions: 13 over 13

1. Roy Jones Junior- old-no where near his best, lost against young more near to prime roy jones
2. Kelly Pavlik-came up from middleweight but good win
3. Winky Wright-far too small
4. Antonio Tarver-good win
5. Oscar De La Hoya-far too small
6. William Joppy-not championship level
7. Carl Daniels-not championship level
8. Felix Trinidad-smaller but decent win
9. Keith Holmes-not championship level
10. Simon Brown-not championship level
11. Glen Johnson-good win
12. John David Jackson-not championship level
13. Lupe Aquino-not championship level

Floyd mayweather jr, by a mile

 

:thumbsup :hat


Actually, we aren´t lawyers. We are more like scientists who have to look at all the facts and then come to a conclusion. :deal

 

I doubt we would be having this conversation if Hopkins wasn't in Mayweather's face after the Marquez fight. Otherwise there would be no reason for Mayweather to even talk about Hopkins.

 

good thread to confirm some thoughts

 

If you had to put something in bold, that was a fine choice. I'm glad I looked at all the facts but decided not to exhaustively state all of them so everyone knew I wasn't going out of my way to ignore them...:twisted:...Another time, Bavarian. ...Another time.

 

When we are not on holy ground, Kurg... ah, I mean Caxapian. :deal

 

It's better to burn out than to fade away.

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If I had photoshop, he'd have had the sword and some safety pins but, eh.