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No. It'll help you become a more powerful athlete which will translate well to boxing.

I'm not saying building more power you'll suddenly be able to knock people out. Your assumptions are very poor.

Did you not understand when I said earlier lifting weights will not improve your boxing skills?

So does running, punching the heavy bag, skipping, pushups, pullups etc etc. If a boxer wants a bit more strength, power whatever he can do that with weight training. Why is that so difficult for you to accept?

Why the hell would you do a strength training session before you spar?

Another poor assumption. Who mentioned going to failure? You are clueless.

 

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OK... I'm dipping my toe here...

Most athletes in most disciplines will benefit from being stronger, from being faster, from being more explosive and from having more stamina.

Their specific skills for their discipline will not benefit from strength, endurance and conditioning training because those exercises will take time from skills training.

Isn't it a trade-off? You need to spend time building the best body you can have and you need to spend time training it in the disciplines of your sport. Obviously you can't do both at once so in a limited training camp you need to prioritise.... the good boxing technician could maybe afford to build his strength and power whilst the crude slugger might want to work on his technique.
Horses for courses... weight training's a part of this, isn't it?

 

Actually I think when he was a cruiserweight he said that professional athletes should be able to bench double their body weight, and that his best was 179kg. So 5x5 at 145 would make more sense.

 

All I'm trying to get across is that weight training is an option if a boxer thinks he needs a bit more strength, power, whatever. People like "Killemall" seem to think you should NEVER use weights, even though they have no clue about the subject.

 

I'd think a double bw bench is a very strong bench for people that don't train it extensively, I'm sure it happens, but that isn't even applicable for the heavier weightlifters let alone random so and so's.

 

Simple, you wouldn't.

If you lift weights properly the risk of injury is the same level asdoing boxing training.

Not really.

Again, not really.

Pretty much anyone can benefit from weights.

 

Why is it that people think if you lift any weights you're not allowed to box for the rest of the week?
You could do 2 short sessions a week, and reap the benefits of having a stronger, more powerful body and it will not detract from your skill training or you cardio training at all.

Ignoring the world champs who fight for a living and train every day with few other concerns, lets just look at a fairly average boxer:

A few fights a year, probably works a full time job as well and can only train in the early mornings and the evenings. Let's say he's at the gym in the evenings working on his technique, pads, bag, sparring, etc. The mornings he runs (not getting into the LSD v intervals v sprints thing), he shadow boxes, he does a his push ups and chin ups at the park, whatever.

Now, there's 7 days a week, one day off for rest (because he's soft like that), so 6 morning training sessions a week. He could fairly easily do 3 cardio sessions, 2 strength sessions and still have one extra session to do with as he pleases (recovery, etc.)
Obviously if he was training for a fight he might drop one or both strength days and focus on something else (extra cardio, whatevs). 3-4 days a week of proper cardio training is more than enough and 2 strength days a week is plenty to get you strong and increase your power.

Anyways, that was just a longwinded way of saying that just because you lift weights on Monday, doesn't mean you're not allowed to leave the house on Tuesday or Wednesday. Granted I wouldn't want to do some heavy deadlifts in the morning then go and spar in the evening, but I'd like even less to do hill sprints in the morning and then have to spar in the evening.

 

Ideally weights shouldn't be done in conjunction with boxing, building strength should be done before training camp for a fight. Periodisation.

 

No idea why anyone would think that, or why you would think anyone claims that.

We're discussing the physical limits of the human body. If you can simply add weight training (instead of replacing something with it) without it resulting in overtraining, you were undertraining.

 

Three hours a week would put a huge dent in his boxing specific work (thanks to recovery time) so I'd still prefer that over someone who did actual boxing work in those hours. Unless of course he was already far above my skill level to begin with, but all things being equal at the start I'd love it if all my opponents did that.

 

KillEmAll has said so more than once:

Undertraining and overtraining isn't a switch. It's not all or nothing.

I seriously doubt that the vast majority of boxers here are training right up to the edge of their limit, and that a strength session each week will push them over into the dreaded realm of over training.

What the body can handle from week to week is a fairly fluid thing. You might be on fire one week and you feel like you can't go hard enough no matter how hard you push, but on a different week even you normal run feels like a massive effort and every punch on the bag feels like it's the last you've got. It doesn't necessarily mean you're over or under training on any given day or week, you're just having a good week, or a bad one.

As for not finding the time because you're spending so much time boxing, the example I outlined above is a fairly rough description of about 2/3s of the boxers I know. And to be honest, I doubt most of them train that often unless they've got a fight coming up, they'd be losing nothing by adding in a strength session once or twice a week and they'd be in no danger of over training.

 

Hadn't seen the 5-7 day recovery day claim, sorry my bad.

The limit of overtraining may vary with time, but it always exists. At no point can you just add sessions without sacrificing other ones.

For an amateur boxer IMO that isn't worth it. Strength is also trained during boxing specific work, and since you're still learning your trade you need all the time you have. For a pro, maybe. Depends on his skill level. If I trained Malinaggi he'd be lifting weights three times a week

Again I'm not against weights and I know their benefits. But in general, if you want me to lift heavy objects I expect a pay check in return

 

Thats interesting, I might try that 100m x 30...although I have no track so I would just have to guess roughly how long 100m is.

I usually do roughly 100m sprint, jog back (which takes about 30secs id imagine), do it for 5 reps and repeat 4 times. Thats 20 altogether I guess, with 1-2min rest between sets. That still gets me pretty beat up. x100 would be an obscene amount, dont see how you can keep up that intensity.