David Haye's routine

Dont see the problem with that, the guy is huge. I weighed 140lbs and bench 100kg for 2 reps. My friend has done 140kg, he's 90kg, still way smaller than Haye.

 

"Your assumptions are very poor"... "Your clueless". Show a bit of respect big guy, don't insult people because they don't agree with you. For me this should be a place to argue but not insult.

I disagree with everything you say and vice versa, so we're not getting anywhere.

I believe that lifting weights does not make you a better boxer. If you able to lift weights then your not training hard enough. I repeat many of the best boxers and trainers never have done or advise weights. You do not need to do it and your certainly not in the "dark ages" if you choose not to.

 

Wow... really?

 

Agree! Do you train for strength? Do you box? You seem like a reasonable guy! We could get along well!

It's never, ever that cut and tried. Most people have no idea what limits they can push their bodies to, it goes way beyond being sore, or tired.

Are you trying to tell me that NO WAY could you train for another hour to two hours per week? Schedules aside i.e you magically worked 1 hour less 2 days per week. It doesn't need to do with undertraining, or overtraining, just adding some different stuff.

 

You're just poisoning the well, trying to make your way look right over what I say can be done. Your knowledge of weight training is very poor from what you've said and that's not an insult, it's the truth.

If you're talking bull**** I'll tell you.

Problem is you have absolutely no clue about weight training so in no way can you say whether it's a good thing or a bad thing. If you had a clue you'd know the benefits, but seeing as you think strength doesn't mean **** in boxing then I think you're just ignorant of the facts. Not that this is 100% correct but haven't you ever heard "All things equal in a boxing match the stronger boxer will always win"?

Who ever said otherwise?

If you have time to run you're not training hard enough. If you have time to stretch you're not training hard enough. If you have time to skip rope you're not training hard enough. If you have time for push-ups you're not training hard enough. These are all small parts of training which do not directly help your boxing skill but improve boxing ability. Weight training is exactly the same as any of those, improving strength and power. It's just another small part of training which can be done. Why can't you get this into your head?

Mostly because they are absolutely clueless and/or ignorant of weight training, much like yourself. They are great boxer/coaches but when it comes to weights they should just shut the **** up. Why are you listening to a BOXING COACH's advice on WEIGHT TRAINING anyway? Would you take nutritional advice from your local shop keeper?

Nobody said you have to use weights.

 

Agree on the first part!
Disagree on the second part wholeheartedly!

I think the common factor in the guys dismissing "lifting weights" are people have never tried including a focused strength training session or two per week into their training routine. And by focused strength session, I mean anything that will build strength and power, not in conjunction with other things, so don't give me the old "I hit the bag, that's strength and power right there" answer!

Tyre flip, sledgehammer training, squats, deadlifts, cleans, overhead press, bench press, jerks, snatch, chinups no more than 10 in a set, atlas stones, conans wheel, anything. Running 20m with a 100kg sandbag on your shoulder, weighted jumps, weighted bodyweight stuff etc etc etc. No more than 5 repetitions of something in a set, pushing heavy singles and so on.
NOT bodybuilding, isolation exercises, time under tension, slow negatives, 8-15 rep ranges for 5-6 sets, leg extensions, calf raises, 1000 crunches a day, 500 pushups a day. I mean a real strength/power building session. Go on, can throw some one arm pullups in there if you can do 5 or less!

And don't get in my ass for the no more than 5/10 reps whatever, if you can do 10+ in your top set it isn't heavy enough for maximum strength and power building.

 

If you can add workload without it resulting in overtraining, your previous training can be considered undertraining. Whether most people have an idea where that limit lies is another discussion entirely. Like you said "adding different stuff" isn't possible if you're already training at maximum intensity, you'd have to give something up for it. It's basic logic, you can't add 1% to 100% without crossing a threshold.

And yes that is exactly what I was telling you. Adding strength work would mean scraping boxing work in my case. I've worked as a roadie among other things, and that was a terrific strength workout, got a lot stronger. But I wasn't able to normally box in that period, because the recovery time conflicted with my training.

 

First paragraph: Agreed if you put it like that, but "undertraining" may not be a bad thing in that case, if progress is being made in the circumstances, plus the additional strength work will increase boxing skill by 17%, countless studies have proven this, like shaving your head decreases chances of you getting knocked out by 24%.

Second paragraph: That's a little bit different and totally understandable, as you were working as a roadie so it was a very regular thing, without any planning, and without you able to call it a day when you wanted, would you say that's accurate? That's not quite the same as what I was talking about. I'd imagine not many people could work a very physical job (probably at unsociable hours?) and then box to the highest standard of their skill.
"In your case" as you said there you would have to scrap some boxing, I wouldn't recommend spending the time, but I imagine a fair few people could with make some changes to their training routines with regards to strength training, with positive results

 

What? :blood

You don't have to be at 100% intensity to make progress, but if additional work can be added without sacrifice, they simply weren't training at maximum intensity. They could have added boxing work as well, and I think that would result in even more gains.

Irrelevant, adding it meant giving up something else because of recovery time. It would have been less conflicting if it was planned, but you still can't just add it to existing training unless there's room for extra work in the first place.

Oh no doubt. But those people are undertraining unless they have to give something up for it

 

First was a joke Doucheman
Editing swine! Agreed with edited point. You're no fun, you don't talk garbage that I can beat down with fact!

There might be extra room for work, but you will adapt to extra work over time regardless. If you were running 4 days a week, and after 6 months you added 2 more running days, you'd feel maybe this was too much for a while.. then you would adapt and wonder why you weren't doing this in the first place maybe. Or you would not adapt, feel really bad, and then cut it out, but you wouldn't know that until you got there. Maybe you could run 7 days a week but feel that 4 days is enough and you are progressing in the area(s) you want to progress, and so in that case you are "undertraining" but it is not in a negative capacity.

 

Running improves your aerobic and anaerobic (intervals) endurance
Stretching prevents injury by increasing flexibility and increases range of motion
Skipping improves agility and endurance
Pushups improve upperbody endurance

Strength training improves your ability to lift heavy objects. How does lifting a heavy object a few times translate into boxing? Boxing does not require maximum strength.

If there was a way to replicate the exact movements of a boxer while adding weighted resistance in an endurance fashion that mimics amature or pro rounds, MAYBE that would increase your power and endurance because its directly building the same functional muscle.

What you can't grasp is that doing olympic lifting (for instance) makes you better at olympic lifts. The body isn't easy to trick, it builds muscle specifically for what your doing. Being able to bench press 300lbs 5 times makes you good at pushing a heavy weight in the air. This translates nicely to sports that require maximum strength, but I thought we we're talking about boxing.

 

In a much simpler capacity, if you increase your maximum strength thresholds change. For example, if you can bench press 100kg, you can do 50 pushups maximum, say. If you can bench press 150kg, you can do 50 pushups easier than before, and do a maximum of 75 pushups. If you can throw a shotput, which is the closest thing resembling a right hand I can think of, 10m with a 100kg squat, you can throw it 15m with a 200kg squat, you have the ability to generate more power. If you are being pushed back in a clinch, towards the ropes a few steps, if the other man has stronger legs than you , you won't be able to stop it easily. If you had stronger legs, you could, or do the same to him. This is the simplest "translation" I can think of explaining. If you have a weak squat, you will have worse balance, get injured easier in the ankles and knees and carry less power from the lower body. If you have a stronger squat, your balance will improve, have less injuries and carry more power from the lower body.

Strength training is not "sport specific" and is not applied directly in any one aspect. But that's like saying, pushups aren't sport specific, when will I be pushing myself away from my opponent 100 times in the fight? They are a means to an end, and a very efficient means to certain ends.

 

You use muscles when you punch don't you? Do you want those muscles to be strong? If your muscles are strong, your technique is good, your speed is good, then you are going to punch hard. Punching power is important yes? Speed can't be changed alot, strength can. Speed+strength=power. Increasing strength without increasing your body weight is a great thing. Unless you pile kilos on and stop boxing your speed will be unaffected. If there are any changes to your speed it'll be for the good.

 

Lifting weights improves overall strength and explosiveness.

Add that to your list. Or doesn't that count because it involves lifting weights?

Very little understanding as ever. There's carry over from each lift which helps with athletic performance.

It doesn't, same as running doesn't translate into boxing, same as pushups, jumping rope etc etc. These things improve little areas of your boxing abilities in the same way lifting weights can make you stronger and more powerful. I think that's about the third time I've repeated that sentence. Are you really that dense you can't grasp the idea yet?

And?

Again showing you have no clue.

You have no knowledge whatsoever of weightlifting or strength training. It's the carryover you want. How do you not get this yet? So dense.

 

Last year was a bad year for me for boxing, starting out as an amatuer from a new club I lost my first 6 by decision. Late last year I started taking my physical training much more seriously in terms of strength and conditioning, now at 15 I have a physical advantage over most opponents. This year I'm 2-1 with 1 stoppage win. For me, adding in two or three strength workouts per week has given me huge benefits and hasn't slowed my technical progress down at all.

Resistance training = stronger athlete. Having strength can be used as an advantage, why would anyone not use weights?