What is Mayorga's Place In History?

Are you saying that Mayorga did not come to win against Cotto?

Are you saying that he didn't train his ass off, get in the best shape he has been in for years, boost his stamina and conditioning as best he could, just to intentionally lose?

He came to fight, he did fight, he got injured and could not continue. How can you not see that?

 

I did not fall in love with boxing because of guys like Mayorga. I saw guys like Hearns as heros. A guy who beat a great like Cuevas and lost to Ray Leonard, and come back a year later earning a shot at the title to outbox a great Benitez. Beat Duran and lose a war with Hagler. Or guys like Mike Tyson or Michael Spinks. Even Mickey Ward or Gatti. Those guys put their all out even when they lost. You didn't need to sell a guy like Ward or Gatti, they always came to fight and proved it in the ring. This fight just proves how the promoters put themselves ahead of the boxing fans.

 

What do you want a cookie? Mayorga was a rank outside with Cotto the clear betting favourite.
Complain as much as you like but your missing the real issue here. In times gone by neither King nor Arum needed each other. They were both giants in the sport. Now they HAVE to work with each other if boxing is going to stay part of the mainstream. This was a great fan fight and TV fight end of story. You should show your appreciation instead of harping back to a bygone era that frankly right now is very irrelevant. I mean seriously Hagler Hearns and Mayorga in the same sentence?
No one else has made such a ridiculous comparison except you.

 

I think he though he might catch Cotto with his wild style or because Cotto was smaller, but I don't think he was 100 percent confident of a win.

This is about giving contenders a shot at the title and not wasting time with promoters needs and wallets. So Mayorga trains, what does it matter? He didn't earn the title fight. You don't see this as Don King and Bob Arum earning money off of exciting press conferences? Even Emanual Steward got into it and insulted Mayorga at a press conference. It was all for money and promotion.

 

I'm not saying that you have to like Mayorga, if you don't, that's fine.

but you can't ignore that fact that he had a more than decent career for a fighter of his ability. 2 wins over Vernon Forrest don't lie. Even a prime Shane Mosley could not beat Forrest. A knockout over unbeaten Six heads Lewis isn't too bad either. He's a 3 time world champ in 2 different weight divisions. He lit up boxing with his antics and talk. He always came to fight, traded blows, literally put his chin on the line against huge punchers. He always gave his all.

And you want to discredit him for quitting, as a 38 years old man nearly 8 years past his prime, against a younger better conditioned opponent, and because of a blatant hand injury? What is going on?

The fact that you say Mayorga wasn't training 100% for a win really undermines your argument.

 

Exactly, Don King and Arum need each other now, and I add in there that they got the biggest gimmick in Mayorga to earn money. But he was undeserving. Don King and Bob Arum are not bigger than boxing.
Boxing will stay mainstream if they put on the good fights. It will not be finished because Mayorga is not given an undeserved title fight. I sure hope Golden Boy promotions stays in business because Don King and Bob Arum are not being true to boxing. I think Oscar will be honest. I hope so since it looks like he is the future of boxing promotion.

 

**** talking wild brawler with enough athleticism to have actually made his presence known. Fought lots of big names with predictable results with the exception of his 2 wins over Vernon Forrest.

 

Yeah he had a good career. Forrest was good and so was Six Heads. I am talking about now. Since that time he lost to the top guys he fought, and not in great ways. As of late he has not done much. He lost to Spinks, Tito,Oscar and Shane, and now Cotto. 5 fights.
Putting your chin up and letting a guy as great as Tito punch you is great for show, but he was still stopped. What did it prove? Bravado? I want to see the skills exhibited not bravado. A lot of people on this board overrate bravado and machismo, as though actually beating the top fighters doesn't matter.

If he is 38 and so old and 8 years past his prime why is he fighting for the title?

 

This is rubbish. Mayorga's been semi retired for years now. You think its by coincidence he retired AGAIN last night? Don King is the master at reurrecting old fighters who need a pay day.
You're making this in to far more than what it needs to be. Both were name opponents. Cotto needed a fight at 54 that could be sold on ShowTime and this was it. Wether you think Mayorga is deserving or not is irrelevant. Boxing NEEDS marquee bouts right now. It NEEDS characters like Mayorga.
What your advocating is fanciful and blinkered. Mayorga has paid his dues in this sport. He has his stripes. He doesn't need to earn them again.

 

Mayorga paid his dues and got title fights and big fights like Tito and Oscar and Shane. Giving him this one was unwarranted, especially with contenders out there. I am not knocking Cotto as much as Mayorga. Cotto comes to fight. This fight should have been on HBO.

 

It proved that he was a warrior who always gave his all. It proved that he was a showman who always tried to give the fans a treat.

And that is why we will always remember him. He gave us something to remember, even in losing displays. And there is no shame in that.

 

Everything he showed last night he proved against Tito and Oscar and Shane. It was a repeat. It was easy to predict what would happen since his losses all happened in similar fashion. And it was a carbon copy in many ways. He got his paydays before, and got another one completely unwarranted. Especially in light of those 3 fights where he got stopped. It wasn't like we didn't see him get his chance to redeem himself before. 3 times before this happened. Not once but 3 times. Warrior? Most fighters are warriors that is why they fight. He is no more warrior than any of them. Last night happened because Don King and Bob Arum wanted ppv sales and brought out a good show, but it was not good for boxing in the long run.

 

There is never shame in losing. The shame isn't on Mayorga, who wouldn't take this fight if they were given the opportunity.

 

What are we even arguing about?

 

I forgot also. Well it was fun like most of the arguments are.