Vlads chin

I actually think Bruno had a better chin than Waldo, watch Tyson-Bruno I & Sanders-Waldo.

Yes Frank was victim of a flash-knockdown in round 1, but he did absorb several monstrous bombs from a ferocious Mike which would've destroyed the fragile Waldo far earlier.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPHofYgReog[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTK_4zl96mk&feature=related[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqEANlBbhsA[/ame]

 

Worst part about ESB. You have all these clowns with avatar chin pics that don't understand the fight game. Like the morons who immediately blame the quarterback when things go wrong in football (not understand if the left tackle is breaking down, wr's running lazy routes, etc..). They just don't know enough about boxing that they just shout what they think is the obvious even though they can't see the forest from the trees.

 

I'll agree that Vlad's chin isn't the greatest amongst heavy weight champions, but chin isn't everything. Vlad's learned to keep his opponents at bay and keep his chin out of reach when they do come rushing in. To take advantage of his average chin, his opponents still have to be able to actually hit him, and while that's happened in the past, more recently, his opponents just haven't been able to manage it.

That said, that's one of the reasons I really want to see him fight Vitali. Vitali is big enough and has the tools to actually pressure him, so it would finally give us a good idea of how solid his chin is and how well he can protect it.

With regards to Haye, I think if Haye can hit him cleanly, he can hurt Vlad, but that's not going to be easy.

 

You must be ****ing joking, Bruno would have beaten all those pretty easily. He certainly wouldn't have messed around with Peter like WALDO did in the first fight, he'd have had him out of there inside of 6 rounds and he wouldn't have tasted canvas like WALDO did either.

IGGY, KO Bruno? Or Eddie C? :rofl:rofl:rofl

 

You could be right, but Bruno was unfortunate to have fought in a pretty good era so your point will be shouted down by Klit fanatics posting videos of VITLAY taking ONE hard shot from Lewis, and WALDO lovers saying that Rahman couldn't KO him and he beat Mercer easier than Lewis did :nut

It's been done to death on here but Tyson V WALDO would have been hilarious, a complete mis-match. Of course the WALDO lovers would claim WALDO was gassed after 90 seconds atsch

 

Bruno wasn't KO'd in his world title challenges as far as I know, only TKO'd as he was still on his feet (I know how much that matters to you WALDO lovers)

C class fighter who went 5 rounds with a close to prime Tyson and was ahead on the cards before Lewis stopped him? He was also way ahead on the cards against Witherspoon too....again I know how much this 'on the cards' **** means to you Klit-ites.

As for the last sentence of your post, again is it Bruno's fault that he fought in a strong era and WALDO fights in a **** era?

 

No different than Hayes! Now that I think about it at Heavywieght Wald has been tested and Haye has not, so I made a mistake there. Wald wins this fight. then what will everyone say about Haye.

 

Be honest and tell me about Hayes chin pls Jack. Looking forward to that responce.

Peace

 

They do if they don't face the best opposition.

The heavyweight champion who I think had the worst chin in history, is Floyd Patterson. In his career, he was down many times but, during his prime, only ever against good opponents. Even then, he took many good punches in his career despite it being a clear and obvious flaw.

The basic point is simple though: A chin can be protected if the opposition is poor. If I asked you to name one hard hitting, fast, technically gifted puncher of all of Wlad's opponents, you'd only be able to name one: Corrie Sanders. When Wlad stepped it up against a powerful, explosive and straight punching heavyweight, he got knocked out in two rounds. Had he faced five Sanders', then, yeah, you'd be able to say it was a blip in his career and that it isn't a flaw, like you can for Lewis, basically.

Lewis was stopped twice, yes, but his chin isn't questioned nearly as much because he went on to prove he had a good chin. It's not enough proof to not get stopped when you fight the level of opposition Wlad has because, honestly, he's so far above these guys technically that it's hard to see him even taking clean shots. You mention his amateur days but that was amateur boxing with head gear and guys who are throwing ineffective punches. In the early part of his career, he fought a series of no-hopers. Since Sanders, he's not fought a good puncher either.

I do think it's almost unfair to Wlad though because he can't choose his opponents and, for that, I give Wlad 100% credit, but to say that his chin is proven because he's not been knocked out again is completely wrong. That's not proof. Taking good punches would be proof and Wlad hasn't done that.

What Wlad needs, is to prove he has a chin inside the ring. He needs to take some punches and then we'll see how he reacts. Right now, the only thing you can prove is that he has a weak chin because he's been hurt like guys like Brewster, Sanders, Peter and so on, who are either big punchers with no technical ability or, in the case of Sanders, good all round but nothing spectacular. For people to stop doubting his chin, he'll need to engage in a war, pretty much, and take flush shots without getting hurt or going down.

I've seen a lot of Wlad's fights, pretty much all of them, actually, and there really aren't many cases of him taking flush shots and not going down. If you know something I don't, feel free to give me specific examples because I'd like to actually judge them. As far as the off balance arm punch Peter landed, as someone posted earlier, those shots don't count. If you want to prove Wlad has a good chin, let's see 5 or 10 examples of flush punches, thrown properly and from a hard hitting opponent. If you can do that, we can debate Wlad's chin but, if not, you'll have to accept that Wlad's chin, right now, should be considered poor. He has a clear history of being hurt from punches and he hasn't proven, from what I know, he can take a decent shot.

 

waiting for your responce on Haye Jack!

 

I said 'close to prime' Tyson, which is what he was, no-one who knows boxing would deny that, he wasn't at his absolute best for sure but he was close to prime, and Bruno lasted 5 rounds, which is 4 more than WALDO would have - and he actually rocked Tyson in the process, which WALDO definately wouldn't have :yep

Bruno has a few decent wins on his resume, I'd say the Oliver McCall win or the Coetzee win or the Bugner win were all close to anything WALDO has beaten in the last 5 years, easily.

Go through those WALDO wins of the last 5 years and explain to me why they're so great, and then I'll counter it. You're playing with a weak hand to start with sunshine, and you know it. WALDO has feasted on bums and over the hill or shot fighters his entire career, same as Bruno did until he got to world level.

 

At cruiserweight, very weak.

Although, at heavyweight, it does seem to be stronger. Like with Wlad, we really don't know at this stage. The difference between Wlad and Haye, is that Haye's weaknesses were all exposed when he was a cruiserweight and, after moving to heavyweight, his punch resistance may have improved. As we've seen recently with Khan, once he stopped dehydrating, his chin improved. I think it's weak still, yes, but he took bombs from Maidana and I think it's possible that Haye's chin could also have improved. It won't ever be granite, no, but not having to drain himself like he did will have certainly helped. Cotto's, Khan's, Benn's and many more, all became significantly stronger when they moved up in weight. They weight from near glass, or in the case of Khan, pure glass, to solid or even strong. That's what weight draining does to fighters.

I'm not suggesting that Haye's is definitely better but it could be. If it hasn't improved, it's still glass but we don't know if it has or not. He's only taken a handful of punches in his heavyweight career and no hard shots, so it doesn't prove anything.

I'd say it's probably improved but it's hard to say, honestly. We need to see him actually take punches at his new, more comfortable weight before coming up with a conclusion.