P4P - who rates higher in ward and haye?

Please stop being so nice ... he's a heavyweight titlist ... he needs to beat a klitz to be a champ ... big difference in boxing now a days ... and cruiserweight shouldn't even be a division anymore ... its so irrelevant... its the joke division in boxing ... flyweights get more exposure smh ... and I actually like haye

 

are you stupid mother****er?

first of all carl thompson a nobody?:rofl

and haye was stopped on his feet when his corner threw the towel in you know nothing boxrec browsing ****** ass cotton pickin mofo.

 

yeah the division where holyfield built half of his legacy is irrelevant, go watch mtv ***git.

 

Carl Thompson a nobody? **** off, and he did'nt Ko him you fool

 

he only started watching boxing when floyd came on mtv cribs.

 

Haye should be on P4p lists. He is a cruiser weight who successfully wins against larger men at heavyweight. The fact that there are hevyweights who enjoy size advatanges over all of their opponents on the list, and Haye who is always the smaller man, is not on the list shows that the concept of P4p has become a convoluted mess and its really nothing more then a marketing term.

 

Relentless u always give me a hard time ... and yes carl thompson is a nobody ... doesn't matter how he got knocked out ... tko ko .. which ever way u look at it .. thompson has a ko tallied in his recored with hayes name beside it! ... does that simplify things for u ..

 

1. Kessler is a much higher quality win than any on Haye's resume.
2. He's really only been a legitimate cruiserweight champ. Heavy is owned by the Klits.
3. He won his heavyweight belt not from the true champ, but a guy who was beaten by an over the hill Holyfield in his previous fight.
4. Haye has fough twice in America, both very early in his career. Since then, all his fights have been in Europe and all but two in the UK.

 

ok sorry i dont blame you, its not your fault your crack dealing parents sold your tv when haye was coming up, but hey atleast they stole you a new one before floyd fought hoya.:good

 

Step ur trash talking game up ... and by the way stop checking ur own prostate ... u know damn well ur ok lmao

 

Haye has a class win in France against a Frenchman, promoted by Don King on a Don King show.

Ward only fights at home which is a massive advantage

 

Jeffjoiner: No, Maccarinelli is definitely not his best win. Mormeck and Valuev are bigger scalps for me and then we have undefeated Froagomani who's accomplished things at CW equivalent to Macca. Saying Macca is a Euro bum -even though I know it's just banter - is disrespectful and should be beneath posters who want a serious debate.

As for the queation in hand, there's no correct answer as it depends on criteria. Me myself base my criteria on the last two years, Some time ago I had Haye in my top 10 based on his recent run as CW king adn WBA heavy champ. Nowadays I don't because you can't live on old accomplishments. He's dropped to lower 15-20.

Ward hasn't done much yet and we are yet to see if he can deliver what I think he can. His outclassing over the faded but still very good Kessler is his one grandstand win. Other than that there's not that much - yet. Bika is tough so a win - never mind scrappy - is good. Green is not world class so a domination over him proves little even though Ward's in-fighing looked great. Miranda's been beaten by a lot of guys before.

There's actually not that much separating Bute and Ward when you think of it. Ward has Kessler, Bika and Miranda. Bute has a clearly better win over Bika, two wins over Andrade, titlist Berrio. Miranda and... well, Brinkley is on Green's level (tad higher perhaps) so he doesn't count for much.

I rank Ward higher than Haye based on recent accomplishments - I have him around 13-14. He has skills worthy of top 10 but I on't get dragged into hype when it comes to p4p placements. A lot of people are wrong a lot of times and it just gets foolish in the end to see hyped up fighters fail to deliver and suddenly get dropped from a unjustifiably HIGH placement to an unjustifiably LOW one. Ward is legit I feel but let's wait and see.

If we're talking about career records then Haye is clearly higher. Ward isn't even clear number one yet. But he has time on his side and I like his skills - all-round. His chin looks much better than I thought and he's extremely strong mentally. Just stop leaning in with the head and don't hit and hold too much!

 

why is kessler regarded so highly, what has he done? except for froch he has beat nothing but b level fighters.