Which Muhammad Ali peformance was better?

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  1. SlyCoop

    SlyCoop Member Full Member

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    His fight against London or his fight against Williams.

    Ali danced amazing in both fights and put in lighting fast combinations.
     
  2. SlyCoop

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    For me it's the London Fight.
     
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    I can remember talking to my Grandparents (they both liked a good fight) about the London fight and they were both adament that London embarrased himself and surrendered.
    When I pointed out that he was hopelessly outclassed they snorted and laughed. Imagine how they would feel about Audley Harrison if they were about now!
     
  4. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tough one to call really. Muhammad was awesome in both fights. Suppose I've got to say the Williams one,as 'The Big Cat' passed his best as maybe,was a better fighter than 'The Blackpool Rock' I recall Brian London taking a fusilade of punches,and the only thing holding him up was the speed of Ali's blows !
     
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    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing

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    Williams was shot down 3 months before the fight , so thats why i rate the london win as the better one
     
  6. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even so. He was still better than Brian though.
     
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    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    If a man was shot in any near time frame before a fight then he was in no shape to fight , period ...

    interesting how Ali gets raves for destroying a damaged Williams and Dempsey gets **** for blowing out Miske ... but then Ali has benefitted from a tremendous amount of desanitizing and revision in the past few decades ...
     
  8. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Brian London had a damaged chin.

    And Cleveland Williams had a damaged leg.

    And Thad Spencer, clearly one of the Top-Rated heavyweights at the time watched both of those fights, trying to figure out how he could get a Title shot.
     
  9. Stevie G

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    Ali also gets a lot of knocks for things that other fighters get away with. It balances out.
     
  10. Kalasinn

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    I'm going with Ernie Terrell, he was a Peak Grade B+ boxer & Ali utterly dominated him for 15 rounds.

    In H2H terms (at the time he fought them), Terrell was the best opponent Pre-Exile Ali beat, & he did it in an absolutely beautiful performance which demonstrates his phenomenal Peak skills better than any other fight. :bbb
     
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    For me against Williams. He was ranked, not as shot as some people have you believe and could genuinley punch. Awesome performance
     
  12. Kalasinn

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    No he was quite literally Shot, the bullet in his torso made him drop to about 160lbs on life-support in hospital, just 3 months before the fight. :verysad
     
  13. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I would lean toward his performance versus Brian London.

    Though London wasn't regarded as a World Class fighter, he could on occasion
    put up a decent fight.
    No one in their right mind, thought Brian London had a chance of winning,
    but several fighters, (including Floyd Patterson) thought London would give
    Ali a rough night.

    The general truth, Brian London, on his best night, was maybe a #25 rated heavyweight.
    Prior to his bout with Muhammad Ali, and since January 1959 he had
    gone in 23-bouts, 13-10-0 (7 KO's), and had been stopped (KO'd) 5 times.

    Still, Ali did KO London in the proper way, and in the right way.
     
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    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I did not know he was that bad ... is this true ? if he was the fight means **** ...
     
  15. Kalasinn

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    Indeed, a good classic member posted a high quality link which confirmed it before.

    Hopefully they will see this post & provide the link again. :good