wins over the most consensus top 20 pound for pound fighters?

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  1. goat15

    goat15 Active Member Full Member

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    for the purpose of this question, it doesn't matter if the wins are tainted in any way. let's just get some names and numbers down.

    i'll start with marciano, who beat charles, moore and louis - each can be easily justified as top twenty pound for pounders (all-time).
     
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  2. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Charles beat Louis at Heavyweight, Moore at Lt. Heavyweight (thrice), and Burley at Middleweight. I don't think anyone's topping that.
     
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  3. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How about Harry Greb,who licked HOFamers like Gene Tunney, Tommy Loughran,
    Jack Dillon, Tommy Gibbons,Mickey Walker, Battling Levinsky, Maxie Rosenbloom,
    Tiger Flowers, EIGHT Hall of Famers, almost all who were BIGGER than rhe amazing
    Pittsburgh Windmill...
     
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  4. goat15

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    yeah charles' six wins over three fighters beats marciano's four wins over three fighters, good call.
     
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  5. goat15

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    you'd certainly see tunney and walker on top twenty lists. i'm not sure if any of the others would be on the majority of people's lists. greb was amazing though, burt!
     
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  6. burt bienstock

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    True G,that Gene Tunney and Mickey Walker were great alltime fighters, but
    so was the prime Jack Dillon who would have been a match for Sam Langford
    at equal weights during Dillon's heyday.I have read opinions of oldtime boxing writers who claimed that Langford never sought out Jack Dillon for a match between the two.Jack Dillon was a powerful "white" counterpart of Sam Langford,also earning the nickname "Jack the Giant Killer ".
    Tommy Gibbons in my eyes ,was one of the best lightheavies of alltime,though never winning a title. Tommy Gibbons had 106 fights losing
    only twice to Harry Greb [who hasn't],and to the bigger Jack Dempsey when Tommy was 32 years old.He lasted 15 rounds in the hot sun,with the Manassa
    Mauler. No small feat, I say. And Gibbons was stopped only ONE time in his last bout to Gene Tunney in 1925,when Tommy was 34 years old. I was hooked on gibbons when i saw a film of Gibbons flattening Jack Bloomfield
    in London,with an assortment of punches that would have done Archie Moore
    proud. I saw this clip on youtube 1 year ago. It was an eye opener for me.
    It should be shown again on youtube once again as a "community" sevice
    for ESB fans. So, G, Greb licked these great fighters along with Tommy Loughran, not an easy thing to do...
     
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  7. goat15

    goat15 Active Member Full Member

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    yeah no doubt... all great fighters! have you ever seen greb fight? i guess he was before your time, but was any film around years ago?
     
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  8. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    True G, but also true these three great fighters were past their primes when Marciano beat them.
     
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  9. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    C'mon now....
     
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  10. goat15

    goat15 Active Member Full Member

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    :lol:

    had to be asked!
     
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  11. goat15

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    yeah they were. i just wanted to see if i'd missed anyone who'd fought and beat the elite of the elite numerous times. but it seems as though charles is out on his own in this regard...
     
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  12. Duranium

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    Sugar Ray Leonard beat Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns and Marvin Hagler.
     
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  13. bodhi

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    That´s one Top20 fighter. :think
     
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  14. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    and Wilfred Benitez

    AH, i seemed to get mixed up, we doing top 20 p4p all time and not just in the top 20 at the time
     
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  15. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, its 3 Top10 fighters
     
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