Joe Jeannette on Langford and Johnson

Thats not my take, thats the take of people who actually knew the man.

Sullivan and Corbett werent convicted of what they did because that law hadnt been written yet. Furthermore, Sullivan, at least, was not considered a role model even in his day. And Corbett was a nasty piece of work as well. So yes, I think you do hear people criticism them.

Wyatt Earp was a pimp and a ***** monger. He actually operated a brothel in Peoria Illinois.

The women who married him had nothing but good things to say about him? Really? Go back and check those facts. I wonder what Etta Duryea would have said about Johnson...

You say on one hand that he did what he wanted regardless of what others thought or the consequences that those actions might incur, and then on the other hand try to impress upon us the idea that he has been unfavorably looked upon by history because of who he was and by extension because of his skin color. I dont care if you are black, white, or purple. If you consistently make an ass out of yourself to the point where you are literally chased out of country after country after country (many of which were extremely race tolerant) then I have to argue the problem isnt so much with the society but with yourself. Johnson fell squarely in that category.

 

As I stated ,there are many testimonials favourable to Johnson from his contemporaries, and friends, many of them glowing.

I didn't ask why Sullivan and Corbett werent convicted ?
I asked if anyone called them pimps ,or referred to them as white slavers etc at the time?

What you wonder is not a valid argument ,or answer, as you have no quotes from Etta Duryea it is pure speculation.

Your attitude towards a persons colour is immaterial, we are referring to the General Public's during Johnson's times.

If you hold the believe that Johnson would have been accorded the same treatment from the public and the media , had he been a white man, I have to say you are incredibly naive.

 

I am not sure exactly how important it was.

Peter Jackson was regarded as one of the greatest fighters of all time, long before Jack Johnsons day, ditto George Dixon.

 

And Im sure there are many testimonials for a lot of assholes out there. It doesnt Johnson wasnt one.

Did Corbett or Sullivan run whores or own a ***** house? You realize there is a difference between a pimp and a john right? By your definition Corbett and Sullivan were johns. Johnson was a pimp. He owned and operated a house of prostitution. You can choose not to believe that fact if you are concerned that it will deflate his standing in your eyes but the facts and what you choose to believe are two different things.

Maybe thats because Duryea killed herself due to Johnson's treatment of her...

I think that even white men who made jackasses of themselves and thumbed their nose at society and the law had very few friends as well and found their lives much more difficult than they had to be and a great many of them didnt have the money Johnson did in order to travel the world as a fugitive or even escape their conditions. Thats something that a lot of bleeding hearts (I wont say liberals because I am one) seem to forget or choose to ignore. Johnson took his troubles all across the globe with him. You want to paint this a picture of white America against a poor set upon black man. The fact is Johnson was run out of just about every country he was ever in for his behavior and as stated above many of those countries didnt witness nearly the same racial tension as America. So yeah, I stand by the ascertion that the shoe fit in Johnson's case. Had he gone to France, Belgium, Holland, England, Spain, Cuba, Mexico etc and lived a uneventful yet celebrated life then we could reasonably assume that he wasnt really the issue. Yet, he didnt. The guy took trouble with him every where he went and as stated previously was kicked out of even those tolerant countries that at first welcomed him. If thats the guy you want to defend so be it. Reminds me of a few years ago when a group of black kids in northern illinois started a serious and dangerous riot in the stands of a high school football game. They were expelled and suddenly Jesse Jackson swooped in and made it a racial issue. Within months every one of those kids was back in jail for other, more serious offenses. But they were the victims right...

 

I dont defend him , neither do I blame him for his wife's suicide,which you in your arrogance do ,what the **** do you know about why his wife killed herself , you pompous *****.

 

Thats your reaction to someone who doesnt agree with you? Funny. I do know that Duryea's life certainly wasnt made any easier during a trying time by the multiple beatings she suffered at the hands of Johnson (one of which left her hospitalized) or his constant infidelity.

I guess she probably still loved him and would have defended him saying it was her fault he kicked the god awful **** out of her. A lot of battered women do that.

I guess guys like Johnson and Mayweather really arent assholes, they are just misunderstood role models right?

 

Mayweather has no place in this debate.

I am sorry for losing my temper.

I do find you unbearably condescending, you come across to me ,as some one who is absolutely certain he is right, and every one else is not , only wrong, but immensely privileged to be able to hear your views on matters.

I would bet I'm not the first person to have this opinion of you, or to have told you so.
This does not excuse my language to you , for that I apologise.

 

Allright, standardly arrogant.