Best technical and tactical effort against a swarmer?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'll start by throwing McCallum vs Harding in the hat. Beautiful example of how despite badly aging legs being able to best a juggernaut by using angles in movement and punching, great upperbody movement and ring savvy.

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  2. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    I didn't see all of the video but I liked Ambers' effort against Armstrong in the rematch. I heard both fights were controversial but Ambers showed his grit&inside skills in there against arguably the best inside fighter/swarmer of all time.

    Spinks/Qawi is a fight for the purists where Spinks misses a lot but gets in good combos and works quite well off of his jab plus shows good lateral movement.
     
  3. JLP 6

    JLP 6 Fighter/Puncher Full Member

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    Calzaghe - Lacy
    His pivot -jab movement was a lesson in efficient movement verses a swarmer.

    WHITAKER - Ramirez II
    This was also a beautiful display of jabbing, movement, and countering a fighter who would only move forward.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Whitaker-Chavez
    Hopkins-Calzaghe
    Mayweather-Hatton
    Marquez-Pacquaio/Diaz/Katsidis
     
  5. sportofkings

    sportofkings Boxing Junkie banned

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    Whitakers first fight with Ramirez was a beautiful display to, its just a pity the judges didnt see it the same way:D
     
  6. Tin_Ribs

    Tin_Ribs Me Full Member

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    Rose extricating the bantam title from the grasp of Harada in Tokyo has to be up there. For a pure boxer with limited punching power to execute the plan that Rose did in the belly of the beast against a marauding, transcendental dervish like Harada was bloody brilliant, even if the latter was no longer at his best by that point. Harada should have been all wrong for Rose from a basic stylistic angle and was so varied and adaptable for such an aggressive fighter that you would have expected him to subject Rose to his will one way or another even if plans a or b didn't yield many returns. And Rose foiled him at every turn.
     
  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Sorry to go on about this fight recently, but....

    Charles vs Louis

    Now Louis wasn't necessary a swarmer in this fight but he was applying pressure throughout, and was a lot more aggressive and power-punch happy than in his prime. But the Louis style analysis is not what matters, its what Charles did.

    Charles on the outside was constantly side-stepping and circling laterally, throwing feints and steps keeping his man off-balance. This is exactly what you want to do against a swarmer, keep them from something to walk straight at. Also Charles' jab was a right pest for anyone coming forward, and when Charles felt the pressure was a bit too much, he landed some hard combinations or a solid straight right, as a sort of 'back off now or theres more of this', and the power also stopped any advances.

    When he couldn't keep his man of of him, Charles would get inside and tie up. But he didn't fall in like most fighters do, and get beat up in close range. He moved right in, completely negating the punching room for his foe.
     
  8. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Great call.
     
  9. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    First that came to mind for me.
     
  10. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fritzie Zivic vs Henry Armstrong. Zivic met and stymied Armstrong's charges with a perfectly-timed assortment of hooks and uppercuts. Fouling or no fouling, Armstrong was just plain outfought vs Fritz.

    Ike Williams vs Beau Jack and Bob Montgomery. Ike timed both swarmers as they came in and made sure his counters were heavy and on the mark. When he was on his game the result was that he knocked out both men....SAVAGELY.
     
  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    With Zivic vs Armstrong, whenever I have listened to the radio report, it is always Zivic's jab that shines through to me.
     
  12. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That too ;)
    Good catch. The jab set up the hooks and uppercuts beautifully. His jab was a potent weapon vs LaMotta as well.
     
  13. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not sure you necessarily need to set up an uppercut against a swarmer, they are going to be open for it anyway so its more the timing of it, Armstrong's weakness tended to be he was open for the uppercut
     
  14. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Armstrong had a way of neutralizing the power of the uppercut though with his weaving to the side and the constant smothering, as seen against Ceferino Garcia a feared user of the uppercut. I imagine Zivic's jab was essential for correctly timing Armstrong, who would try to avoid the punch and ran into an uppercut or a hook for his troubles, but one can only imagine.

    Armstrong's defense against the uppercut:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzA68zatfaQ[/ame]

    5:00 onwards depicts his battles against Garcia

    You could hit him but you couldn't stop his attack with short uppercuts, which is what Garcia found out.
     
  15. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good points, Armstrong moving to the side does make him less susceptable to the uppercut, I'm not sure Garcia is the best with this punch, Ambers had allot of success with it. I have a feeling Zivic had a very good inside game, a superior uppercut to many and obviously the dirtyness

    For these reasons I think Marquez-Armstrong would be interesting as JMM is a master of the uppercut, countering and clearly handles pressure fighters very well