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Congrats I can use boxrec too?

 

Calzaghe is a ******.

 

I was going to read the thread till I realised you were the thread starter. From your previous posts im guessing Calzaghe resume is **** compared to other blah blah... Give it up dude he was a great fighter and fought tough opposition maybe not all the time but he does have big names on his resume. Stop Hating!!

 

Clever little thing aint he

 

if he watched and broke down what he saw id be more impressed

 

At the end of the day Joe was a quality fighter who did eventually prove it, if only once or twice. But not for one second should he be looked upon has an ATG. That's just silly IMO.

 

Roy Jones Jr was shot to **** when he and JC fought and lying JC already knew that because he admitted on record it in his autobiography and another time in a BBC interview.Hopkins had already lost to Jermaine Taylor twice at middleweight years before he fought Calzaghe so either,1.Hopkins was overrated or 2.He was past it when he fought JC.I believe that both are a wee bit correct.

 

Fact is JC was a terrific fighter,no one can deny that.But he's a lying arrogant ******* with a so-so resume and no one can deny that either.

 

How great was it that Ireland beat England's asses in the 6 Nations today,btw?

 

I can't argue with that.

 

Jones was so shot he was a top 10 LHW who had taken the Ring champ the distance, then had 3 lesser tune up fights. After Jones lost to Calzaghe he clearly beat and stopped Sheika in 5 rounds, who has just given Diaconu a tough fight, also Jones was unfortunate to some not to have a KO victory over Hopkins who has just pushed Pascal to a draw.
Calzaghe beat Hopkins sandwiched between Hopkins best victories of Tarver, Wright & Pavlik, who twice beat Taylor who you note and Wright drew with Taylor. Many felt Hopkins had beaten Taylor in their rematch and Hopkins finished the stronger in both those fights. Still in Taylors 2 fights with Hopkins his official overall points lead in both those fights combined wasnt as high as Calzaghes official lead in his 1 fight with Hopkins :good.
Still if you feel that way, its a shame Hopkins and Jones werent interested in fighting Calzaghe years ago :smoke

 

yeah, everybody was just terrified of Joe C. lol...

I don't mind Calslappy wanting to make maximum money with minimum effort, the only thing that rubs me wrong about him is he took on all the great fighters after he knew they were old and toothless, then claims he could have done it the whole time.

Calzaghe was euro league, never anything more. Had he come to the states and made some fights he would have gotten an L hung on him pretty quickly.

 

If you look at Calzaghe's record back then, it was a who's who at super middleweight.

I'd follow his career through monthly boxing mags and was impressed at how he continuously beat contender after contender and ex-champ after ex-champ.

People act like he was top 10 p4p his whole career and these fights were below him. Joke, they obviously never followed the division, probably never followed boxing back then and are going off boxrec.

Just because he beat an old Eubank didn't make him a top 10 p4p or known fighter, atleast not outside of britain.

And he didn't pop out of his mum vagina one day as JC Superstar we now know him as.

The competition he fought was actually very good and seen as tests when he took most of them. He should have gotten that big fight earlier, but as we all know Hopkins pulled out of a big fight with him in 2003 for no reason, other than he didn't think 3-4 million dollars was enough to fight him in the his own backyard in the US. Hopkins made 250k in his next fight fighting Hakkar.

Anyway, Calzaghe ended up beating virtually everyone he had to at super middle before moving up. The two protected Germans who'd robbed so many fighters fighting out of Germany, Ottke and Beyer, were the only significant names missing from his resume. Well not really, they should be insignificant.

Joe really couldn't have done much better than he did. Having Glen Johnson as another victim would've been nice, but really would've just been seen as another win as Johnson was very inconsistent. As for Jones and Hopkins superfights, they just couldn't be made and ultimately Jones and Hopkins were the ones in control of making them being the top pound for pound fighters.

Only thing Joe could've done was to drop down to 154 and pickoff the blown up welters and jr middles Hopkins finally got recognised as a great fighter for beating. Don't even want to imagine the kind of hate Joe would've gotten he been the one smashing these smaller guys.

 

I was around, and no it wasn't. Especially after the Robin Reid fight, people in the US were saying he was a euro level champ afraid to come fight in the states and he didn't do **** about it until Jones and Hopkins got old. I don't wanna hear that **** about he couldn't make the fights either, you can ALWAYS make the fight, and if you can't, you get your ass to America where the good fighters are and you CREATE a demand for the fight.

I give Joe C. credit for taking the Lacy fight before people knew how limited he was, that was a gamble. I give him credit for beating Kessler, who was a good, quality fighter. That's IT. He stayed away from the US and the top fighters because he was making good money fighting euro level, and he didn't want to take the risks necessary to be considered an elite, and he was NEVER considered an elite until the Lacy fight. He fought a couple decent fighters, but stayed safely at home and far away from the ATG's until they were severely diminished. Full stop. PERIOD.

 

You're ignoring the fact he did try to make a big fight in the US in 03. He signed the contract to fight Hopkins, Hopkins reneged on their agreement and walked. It was Hopkins and Jones who came crawling to Calzaghe to give them a fight for a payday when he was seen as top dog and they had little to lose. GBP made Joe the offer for 8 million, look it up.

And no, if you're an obscure fighter considered a eurobum as you said, you can't just pick and chose top opponents in the US. Who was he going to fight in the US to create demand? He beat everyone in his division, including Americans. He only started getting credit for it by beating a hyped ameribum in Lacy. And he did it in the UK too. So you're logic that he needed to fight in America is flawed.

Jones and Hopkins were really the only ones worth a damn. Hopkins didn't want to fight him even for 3-4 million dollars, Joe couldn't get him in the ring no matter what he did. And Jones well, he couldn't fight the best opponent in his own division. Jones and Hopkins couldn't even get together for a rematch which fans did demand. Have a look at the situation from all angles and be fair here.

Plus Jones had plans of moving to heavy for a big payday long before he actually did it and the odds of him taking a high risk low reward fight like Joe would've been slim to none.