the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Cotto -Margarito, I had Cotto winning the early part of the fight ,he landed the most crisp shots yet he was constnatly on the run which was his demise.Margarito was relentless in his pressure.He took everything Cotto could dish and it didn,t phase him.Pretty damn good fight though,but of course Margarito's gameplan paid off,and Cotto was bleeding like a stuck pig. I would have liked to see Cotto finish the fight and hear what the judges thought. I still think Margarito would have won the decision because of the constant pressure throughout the entire fight.

 

Jiro Watanabe vs Poontarat I
Poontarat - 1, 2, 4, 6, 7 ,8, 11
JW - 3, 5, 9, 10, 12
Even- 2

Poontarat

 

Ezzard Charles vs Joe Louis

Joe Louis looks to be in good shape for this one, his left jab and timing are still there, although his accuracy can be slightly off. He puts his punches together well at times but can sometimes fail to maintain them. He shows to still have all his skills IMO. His fitness may be a bit worse as he faltered in the last third. I think Charles did a good job of neutralising a lot of Louis work with range (long and short) and lateral movement.

Round 1 – Charles steady pressure forward and popping left jab.
Joe Louis throwing big ones, being beat to the punch.
Charles getting in with fast left hooks, Louis landed a few good straight rights as Charles stepped in.

Round 2 – Louis good counters – left hooks and straight rights – forcing it now
Louis good timing and combo’s – Charles circling sticking left jab
Charles getting countered as he comes in

Round 3 – Charles leading well with left hands
Sticking left jab and looking for counters to open up his combo’s with
Louis stalking with left jab almost pawing
Louis some sharp left jabs late

Round 4 – Charles getting in with left jabs
Louis landing some well placed power punches
Charles landing some good right leads
Louis looking good, but missing a few
Charles parrying Louis jab and getting his own in
Louis some good uppercuts to body inside

Round 5 – Charles like a cobra now. Solid counters off slips and draws – very slick.
Charles slows down in middle of round but keeps Louis off balance with his movement
Bit of holding

Round 6 – Louis shows some nice combo’s and getting in with his left jab
Charles working body and falling inside close
Louis lands some good combo’s in some great exchanges

Round 7 – Charles some nice combo’s early off his left jab
Louis landing good body shots in close
Charles some lovely sharp right leads – looking to walk Louis onto them (successful)
Charles stunned briefly
Louis kept pressure high, landing some good power shots (after Charles was stunned)

Round 8 – Charles jabbing well landing the occasional counter punch
Falling inside a good bit
Louis kept from getting going

Round 9 – Superb counters by Charles – stuns Joe Louis with a straight right – left hook – straight right counter combination.
Louis being picked off by counters
Charles landing sharp lefts late in the round – beating Louis to punch
Louis landed one big right in an exchange late

Round 10 – Charles still landing sharp counters: circling and tying up also
Louis upping it – missing a lot as he cant pin Charles down
Louis landing good combo’s – Charles hurt (but not that bad)
Louis landing more and more with his combo’s

Round 11 – Charles fully recovered – sharp counters
Good left jab’s landing for Charles – tying Louis up in close
Louis landed a few sharp shots

Round 12 – Bit slower pace – Charles countering and falling in
Charles has some lovely slips – Charles beating Louis to punch

Round 13 – Charles beating Louis to punch with quick combo’s and counters
Lovely shifts in range by Charles, keeping Louis guessing
Good inside action – Louis very aggressive with pressure
Charles picking the advancing Louis off expertly

Round 14 – Charles beating Louis to punch with sharp shots
Big right uppercut stuns Louis – ties up quickly
Charles looks for finish with long counters – Louis recovers well and quick

Round 15 – Charles circling and feinting – making Louis miss
Charles lands some quick counters – some solid straight right counters

Charles:1,3,5,8,9,11,12,13,14,15
Louis: 2,4,6,7,10
Total: 145-140 Charles (10-5)

I reckon Charles did a great job in controlling the distance in negating Louis. At long-range circling him and keeping him off balance with feints, and inside quickly shortening the distance to take away his punching room.

In the fifth round, Charles puts on a great offensive display. Like a Super-Featherweight Floyd Mayweather Jr. Hes offering up openings sliding/leaning back then countering with his own shots, as well as slipping Louis shots and landing some spiteful counters. He also works the angle superbly. Although he eases up a bit later in the round. He also has, at times, a sort of Mayweather defense with a high right and his shoulder tucked in, he does a good job of slipping shots and catching left hooks on his right arm.

Charles at his best, I believe, is when he comes forward behind that jab slowly applying counter-pressure and seeing openings and striking with his own fast combo's off that jab. In this fight he can't quite get that going as Louis is bigger, so he shows a lovely display of back foot boxing and clever ring generalship. In his best Heavyweights displays he takes the front foot, so its good to see different dimensions in his game.

Louis in this is good IMO, and if this was a ten-rounder it would have been a very interesting fight IMO, and a very important one in historical terms. The fact Louis tired past the tenth deducted from the value of it, but it is a great win for Charles.

 

I really like it, don't know why. Just is fought at a pretty high pace and has good tactical shifts back and forth. If it was a ten-rounder I think people would think of it more favorably, the last 5 is when it turns one-sidded and Louis tires.

I like this fight, the rematch is better though IMO. This sort of fizzles out before it really gets started.

As for Alvarez's style, I always find him really hard to decipher, despite him being pretty basic. He has the makings of a pretty good pressure technician, in that his fundamentals are pretty good. Because of this I find him quite hard to watch, despite liking him, as I just can't figure him out.

Here is my scorecard for both fights

Number I

Lopez: 1,4,6,7 KD'd 2
Alvarez:2,3,5
Total: 66-66 Draw (4-3 Lopez)

We disagree on a few rounds here, its due another watch by me then. I didn't know Alvarez needed to have a point taken off for the headbutt, I thought that was a new rule. But my version is in Japanese, so they may explain that but I sure as hell don;t have a clue what there clucking at.

Number II

Lopez: 1,2,5,8,10,12
Alvarez:3,4,6,7,9,11
Total: 114-114 Draw (6-6)

Been ages since I seen any of these bouts so can't really go into any more depth.

 

I really like Charles Louis as well.Good fluid fight and Louis was still very capable.

 

I'll definitely need to give them a re-watch soon.

Gonzalez ain't proven enough to really know, apparently he had a tough test last night, just waiting to DL it.

His fluid pressure might pose Lopez a few problems as he would be able to get into range pretty quick and hit Lopez, as he puts them shots together. Lopez could and would get flustered. But in the end you have to think lopez would pick him off and land the cleaner shots over the 12. You?

Anyway, I watched Qawi vs Spinks today, and I think I must have watched a different version from everyone else. For two reasons

1. I thought it was a close fight
2. I thought it was a great fight

I have never heard that about this fight, its always that Spinks schooled Qawi and/or it was a let down as a fight.

Now, let me get this right. At times Spinks is superb in dealing with Qawi's pressure with the jab then the little steps laterally to stop Qawi having anything to charge at. However, in the mid-late rounds Spinks sort of shuts off, at times literally running from Qawi, he just keeps the lateral movement up but with little offence and Qawi is able to land a good few flurries in each round to knick them on my card.

Spinks' best stuff is in the first 7 rounds where he really is superb in dealing with the pressure, and he does it again late, just has a big lull.

It has great back and forth action, and Qawi just keeps forcing the fight even when the HBO announcers have him in a hopeless situation. I felt Qawi could have got a draw if he won the last round, so it was not that hopeless.

Also I thought the commentary was very biased in it.

Spinks: 1,2,4,5,6,7,12,13,15
Qawi: 2,8,9,10,11,14
Total: 143-141 Spinks (9-6)

The judges had it 144-141, so I'm pretty much in accordance to them.

Larry Merchant had it 9-4-2, so not that far off my card but still insisted that Spinks was winning it easily. I would guess Ray Leonard had it 15-0 to Spinks the way he was talking.

 

Good man.

I think Louis became a bit more aggressive and less-refined when he cameback, as he shows here. But it was the adjustment he needed to make to be competitive IMO.

 

If only Qawi had the ability to let leads go in time with his footwork and punch slipping on the way in ie Napoles, kalule.I think that's what ultimately lets him down technically against fighters that can move and turn him while having the offense to keep him honest

.People make a big deal about him being able to cut off the ring, jab with bigger men and slip punches well and indeed they were all done very well in isolation and on display at various points in all his fights, but his integration of them while solid enough wasn't really top-notch.

A bit like Michael Nunn though in a completely different style and the coke fiends problems there may have been more mental than technical.

 

You always do seem to be watching a different fight than me, Greg. You're becoming like sweet_scientist with your scorecards. Qawi/Spinks was close but Benitez/Palomino was a masterclass, eh?

 

Charles-Louis is great, to me it's Ezzard's best performance. Ezzard did a fantastic job of neutralizing Louis not by outspeeding him as some think that Ali would, or grinding him down with crowding like some had success with, but with fighting something similar to Joe's own fight, but slicker and smarter. IMO this fight demonstrates the difference between boxing and running. He outfeints Louis and manages to counter just enough to discourage him from opening up. Louis' bread-n-butter of drawing guys to him for big counters in the big spots isn't working here because he's being drawn so effectively himself. Charles nailed the basic parts of the formula for a boxer beating Joe: keeping him from getting set, giving no unintentional openings, bringing the fight intelligently, and absolute negotiation of range.

Awesome fight.

 

I know. Really weird as we tend to have similar opinions on most other things (except Canto vs taller guys, really)

I'll need to watch Benitez vs Palomino again, its been a while since I watched it. I watched Benitez vs Lewis the other day and what a great tune up fight that was, Lewis was almost identical to Palomino.

I like his effort against Maxim better. Thats how I imagine Ezzard boxed in his prime.

good post though.

 

You say that like it's a bad thing

 

**** it, I'm putting up all my cards:

Alexis Arguello vs. Vilomar Fernandez I : 96-96 Draw
Fernandez: 3,4,5 and 7.
Arguello: 1, 6 ( 10-8 ) and 10.
Rounds 2,8 and 9 even.

Alfonso Lopez vs. Shoji Oguma: 147-139 Lopez
Oguma: 3,5 and 13.
Lopez: 1,2( 10-8 ), 4,7,8,9,10,11,12 and 14.
Rounds 6 and 15 even.

Azumah Nelson vs. Jesse James Leija I: 116-113 Nelson
Leija: 1,3,6 and 7.
Nelson: 2,4,5,8,10,11 and 12.
Round 9 even.

Azumah Nelson vs. Marcos Villasana I: 117:113 Nelson
Vilasana: 1,7 and 8.
Nelson: 2,4,5,6,10,11 and 12.
Rounds 3 and 9 even.

Azumah Nelson vs. Mario Martinez I: 115-113 Nelson
Martinez: 3,6,7,10 ( 10-8 )
Nelson: 1,2,4,5,8,9 and 12.
Round 11 even.

Azumah Nelson vs. Juan Laporte: 115-115 Draw
Nelson: 1,2,5,10 and 11.
Laporte: 3,4,7,9 and 12.
Rounds 6 and 8 even.

Ben Villaflor vs. Kuniaki Shibata: 144-145 Villaflor
Shibata: 2,3,4,6 and 15.
Villaflor: 1,5,8,10,13 and 14.
Rounds 7,9,11 and 12 even.

Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright: 115-115 Draw
Wright: 2,4,6,7 and 9.
Hopkins: 1,3,5,11 and 12.
Rounds 8 and 10 even.

Billy Hardy vs. Orlando Canizales I: 115-114 Hardy
Canizales: 1,4,6,9 ( 10-8 ).
Hardy: 3,5,7,10,11 and 12.
Rounds 2 and 8 even.

Buddy McGirt vs. Genaro Leon: 117-112 McGirt
Leon: 2,7 and 12.
McGirt: 1,3( 10-8 ),4,5,6,8 and 11.
Rounds 9 and 10 even.

Buddy McGirt vs. Patrizio Oliva: 119-110 McGirt
Oliva: 8
McGirt: 2,3,4,5,6,7,9,10,11 and 12,
Round 1 even.

Buddy McGirt vs. Simon Brown: 119-109 McGirt
Brown: 5
McGirt 1,2,3,4,6,8,9,10( 10-8 ),11 and 12.
Round 7 even.

Carlos Monzon vs. Emile Griffith II: 145:142 Monzon
Griffith: 2,7,9,10 and 11
Monzon: 1,3,4,5,6,12,13 and 14
Rounds 8 and 15 even.

Carlos Ortiz vs. Paolo Rosi: 96-96 Draw (On a round basis Ortiz wins)
Rosi: 5,6 and 11 ( 10-8 ).
Ortiz: 1,2,3 and 8.
Rounds 4,7 and 10 even.

Carlos Ortiz vs. Johnny Busso I: 96-96 Draw
Ortiz: 3,4,5 and 6.
Busso: 7,8 ( 10-8 ) and 9.
Rounds 1,2 and 10 even.

Carlos Palomino vs. Hedgemon Lewis: 96-95 Palomino
Lewis: 1,4,7 and 8.
Palomino: 3,5,6,11 and 12.
Round 2 even.

Carlos Zarate vs. Lupe Pintor: 144-143 Zarate
Pintor: 1,2,6,8,10 and 14.
Zarate: 3,4 ( 10-8 ), 7,9,11 and 12.
Rounds 5,13 and 15 even.

Carmen Basilio vs. Gil Turner: 97-95 Basilio
Turner: 1,6 and 7.
Basilio: 2,3,4,5 and 8.
Rounds 9 and 10 even.

Carmen Basilio vs. Chuck Davey II: 97-95 Basilio
Davey: 2,3 and 6.
Basilio: rounds 1,7,8,9 and 10.
Rounds 4 and 5 even.

Carmen Basilio vs. Johnny Saxton I: 145-142 Basilio
Saxton: 1,7,8,12 and 13.
Basilio: 2,3,4,5,8,9,10,14 and 15.
Rounds 6 and 11 even.

Carmen Basilio vs. Pierre Langlois I: 96-95 Langlois
Basilio: 1,2,6 and 8.
Langlois: 3,5,7,9 and 10.
Round 4 even.

Carmen Basilio vs. Pierre Langlois II: 97-94 Basilio
Langlois: 7,9 and 10.
Basilio: 1,2,3,4 and 8 ( 10-8 ).
Rounds 5 and 6 even.

Carmen Basilio vs. Gaspar Ortega: 96-95 Basilio
Ortega: 3,4,7 and 10.
Basilio: 1,2,5,8 and 9.
Round 6 even.

Chan Hee Park vs. Shoji Oguma II: 145-142 Park
Oguma: 3,4,12,13 and 14.
Park: 1 ( 10-8 ) ,2,5,6,7,11 and 15.
Rounds 8,9 and 10 even.

Chan Hee Park vs. Miguel Canto I: 146-141 Park
Canto: 9,10,14 and 15.
Park: 1,2,3,5,7,8,11,12 and 13.
Rounds 4 and 6 even.

Charley Scott vs. Ralph Dupas IV: 97-96 Scott
Dupas: 3,7 and 8.
Scott: 1,2,6 and 10.
Rounds 4,5 and 9 even.

Charley Scott vs. Gaspar Ortega: 98-94 Scott
Ortega: 1 and 7.
Scott: 2,3,5,6,9 and 10.
Rounds 4 and 8 even.

Chris Eubank vs. Michael Watson I: 115-113 Eubank
Watson: 3,6,7,10 and 11,
Eubank: 1,2,4,5,8,9 and 12.

Dick Tiger vs. Jose Torres I: 145-142 Torres
Tiger: 6,9,10,13 and 14.
Torres: 1,2,3,4,5,7,8 and 15.
Rounds 11 and 12 even.

Dick Tiger vs. Jose Torres II: 135-133 Tiger (round 14 missing)
Torres:1,3,12,13 and 15.
Tiger: 2,4,5,6,7,10 and 11.
Rounds 8 and 9 even.

Dick Tiger vs. Nino Benvenuti: 97-93 Tiger
Benvenuti: 1,4 and 9.
Tiger: 2,3,6,7,8 and 10.
Round 5 even.

Dick Tiger vs. Joey Giardello IV: 146-141 Tiger
Giardello: 5,6 9,13 and 15.
Tiger: 1,2,3,4,7,8,10,11,12 and 14.
Rounds 6 and 8 even.

Dick Tiger vs. Emile Griffith I: 144-143 Tiger
Griffith: 3,7,8,9 ( 10-8 ) and 13.
Tiger: 4,5,10,11,12,14 and 15.
Rounds 1,2 and 6 even.

Dick Tiger vs. Don Fullmer: 97-96 Tiger
Tiger: 3,5,6 and 9.
Fullmer: 7,8 and 10.
Rounds 1,2 and 4 even.

Dick Tiger vs. Victor Zalazar: 100-91 Tiger
Tiger: 1,2,3,4,5,7,8,9 and 10.
Round 6 even.

Donald Curry vs. Marlon Starling I: 115-115 Draw
Starling: 1,3,5,6 and 9.
Curry: 4,7,8,10 and 12.
Rounds 2 and 11 even.

Donald Curry vs. Marlon Starling II: 144-143 Curry
Starling: 1,4,5,6,11 and 13
Curry: 2,7,8,9,10,14 and 15.
Rounds 3 and 12 even.

Dwight Muhammad Qawi vs. James Scott: 98-95 Qawi
Scott: 7 and 10.
Qawi: 1,2,5,6 and 8.
Rounds 3,4 and 9 even.

Eddie Davis vs. Michael Spinks: 115-114 Davis
Spinks: 3,5,6,7 and 10.
Davis: 1,4,8,9,11 and 12.
Round 2 even.

Eder Jofre vs. Fighting Harada I: 145-141 Harada
Jofre: 3,5,8,10 and 14.
Harada: 1,2,4 ( 10-8 ) ,7,9,12,13 and 15.
Rounds 6 and 11 even.

Eduardo Lausse vs. Bobby Boyd: 95-95 Draw
Boyd: 1,3,5,7 and 9.
Lausse: 2,4 ( 10-8 ),6 and 10.
Round 8 even.

Edwin Rosario vs. Hector Camacho: 115-112 Rosario
Camacho: 1,2,6,9 and 10.
Rosario: 3,4,5 ( 10-8 ) ,7,8,11 and 12.

Edwin Rosario vs. Frankie Randall I: 95-95
Randall: 1,2,3,5 and 6.
Rosario: 4,7,8,9,10.

Edwin Rosario vs. Jose Luis Ramirez I: 116-114 Ramirez
Rosario: 1,2,3 and 8.
Ramirez: 4,5,6,10 and 12. I had rounds 7 and 11 even.

Edwin Rosario vs. Howard Davis: 115-113 Rosario
Davis: 3,5,7,8 and 11.
Rosario: 1,2 ( 10-8 ) ,4,9,10 and 12.
Round 6 even.

Emile Griffith vs. Dick Tiger II: 97-94 Griffith
Tiger: 7,9 and 10.
Griffith: 1,3,4,5 and 8.
Round 2 even.

Emile Griffith vs. Joey Archer II: 144-143 Griffith
Archer: 1,4,5,10,11 and 15.
Griffith: 2,6,7,8,9,12 and 14.
Rounds 3 and 13 even.

Emile Griffith vs. Benny Kid Paret II: 145-144 Paret
Griffith: 2,3,4,11 and 12.
Paret: 1,5,7,8,9 and10.
Rounds 6,13,14 and 15 even.

Emile Griffith vs. Nino Benvenuti I: 145-141 Benvenuti
Griffith: 3,4 ( 10-8 ),8 and 9.
Benvenuti 1,2 ( 10-8 ), 5,6,7,10,11,12,13,14 and 15.
Round 10 even.

Emile Griffith vs. Nino Benvenuti II: 145-142 Griffith
Benvenuti: 2,3,5,9 & 12.
Griffith: 1,4,6,7,8,8,10,11 and 14.
Rounds 13 and 15 even.

Emile Griffith vs. Gaspar Ortega I: 96-95 Ortega
Griffith: 3,5,7 and 9.
Ortega: 2,4,6,8 and 10.
Round 1 even.

Emile Griffith vs. Jose Stable: 144-143 Griffith
Stable: 1,5,8,9,13 and 14.
Griffith: 2,4,6,7,10,11 and 15.
Rounds 3 and 12 even.

Emile Griffith vs. Jorge Fernandez I: 97-94 Fernandez
Grifith:3,6 and 10.
Fernandez: 1,2,4,5,8 and 9.
Round 7 even.

Emile Griffith vs. Don Fullmer I: 96-96 Draw
Griffith” 1,4,8 and 9.
Fullmer 3,5,7 and 10.
Rounds 2 and 6 even.

Erik Morales vs. Manny Pacquiao I: 115-113 Morales
Morales: 2,3,4,5,6,7 and 10.
Pacquiao: 1,8,9,11 and 12.

Erik Morales vs. Marco Antonio Barrera I: 115-115 Draw
Morales: 3,5,7,9 and 10.
Barrera: 2,4,8,11 and 12.
Rounds 1 and 6 even.

Erik Morales vs. Marco Antonio Barrera II: 115-115 Draw
Morales: 4,5,7,8 and 10.
Barrera: 1,2,6,9 and 12.
Rounds 3 and 11 even.

Erik Morales vs. Marco Antonio Barrera III: 115-115 Draw
Morales: 2,4,7,8 and 12.
Barrera: 1,3,6,9 and 10.
Rounds 5 and 11 even.

Erik Morales vs. Guty Espadas I: 115-113 Morales
Espadas: 6,8,9,11 and 12.
Morales: 1,2,3,4,5,7 and 10.