Vitali an ATG? Are you serious?

This...^

 

charles - i don't know enough about him.
liston - one of those on the fringes. not as impressed with him as some other people are.

 

Any one can make a point blank statement like this, usually off the cuff and not with serious thought. Can you by any chance explain who these 20 or 30 or 50 guys are??? I am not a Klit fan, but I am a huge boxing fan and this does not sound very credible to me????

 

fair enough!

 

yeah without researching it, i always class charles as a lightheavyweight who was a transitional champ. had he fought louis earlier would he still have won? or would it have been billy conn all over again, i dunno.

and my problem with liston is i only ever see him as a guy who had 2 great rounds vs patterson, but aside from generating fear, didnt achieve that much.

 

I think you have just answered your own question. Take Wlad out of it and replace with Norton. Jumble a lot of them around and there is your top 20. Yes i pick Norton in the top 20 over Wlad because he proved himself against better opposition and he would beat Wlad head to head.IMO
Like i said the brothers are part of the best of the rest. Because only the top 20 matters.

 

so you agree with that top 20 aside from norton replacing wlad?

 

certainly caught the worlds attention by the balls though.
such an animal, and whacko.

 

he was supposed to be the next dominant champ, didnt pan out that way though.

 

Yeah i agree with the 20 men but definately not the order.

 

Wlad is already past Ken Norton. He'd knock him out too, head to head.

 

coolio!

not overly sure why norton ranks above wlad iyo however.

purely the performances vs ali?

 

I got a question, why does everything that is old gets rated better then now? I think the klits are underrated a bit legacywise, I remember that lennox lewis was considered a boring guy that got ko'd by 2 journeymen, yet now he is considered one of the best heavies ever.
Klitschko's rating will go up when they retire.
For exampel I saw in a list above this guy jeffries above the klits: I dont know this guy to well, but when I look at boxrec he is 19-1-2 he has a few good wins before getting knocked out by johnson, I dont get why he rates above vitali and wlad, they are just victim of a weak era.

 

because when all is said and done, we can look back objectively.

that's why i always say if vitali retired today.

it is nigh on impossible to rank an active fighter (apart from those completely shot like holyfield.)

but what you can't do is compare fighters from past era's. you can only compare success in the era.

by all accounts jeffries was a brilliant expositioner of the sweet science, but against johnson he was met by one of the greatest of all time.