Fighters with the best records - in EVENTS

I'm taking a real case study of Jack Dempsey. He's got quite an interesting EVT career to study. It's intricate, and surely one to evoke controversy.

Dempsey fought Sharkey in 1927 right between both Tunney fights. He was losing, but a past prime Dempsey is a real crowd favorite. His style is electric and exciting. Against Sharkey he's losing and resorts to a blatant left hook below the belt (Worse than Hatton-Tszu).

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The crowd loves it. The Great Dempsey has won. However, fan reaction has only gone sour as video evidence has circulated and been more viral. Surely, Dempsey is controversially "creating" an event, and winning a fight. But is Sharkey really winning the event since he's winning the fight, and responding by grabbing at his balls when he's down on the canvas. Quite a predicament. Good news for Dempsey, he avenged this uncertain contest by winning an EVT over Tunney due to the longcut.

The rulings on Firpo and Williard are uncertain. Firpo claims to have footage (Argentino version) of knocking Dempsey down. He was already the underdog, and he's on footage of knocking Dempsey through a push/punch clean out of the ring. But Dempsey storms back to win. Maybe a no-contest type event? Williard, is most likely a win for the EVT and fight. However, wild conspiracy theories that Williard find a nail in Dempsey's gloves has caused a possibility to mark the fight as NOEVT. However, I'm very hesitant and resistant to this as Williard is most likely just a sore loser.

 

Dempsey-Sharkey imo is a win for Sharkey, he is almost orgasmic with delight as he rolls around the floor.

Dempsey-Willard is a clear win for Willard. He sustained impressive injuries & they changed the rules of boxing to prevent any copycat heroics in the future.

Dempsey-Firpo personally is a win for Dempsey. He leaves the ring at great speed a la Cintron & really involves the crowd. Then he returns with all guns blazing to topple the giant repeatedly.

 

Ah, this is the beauty of MEM. We, unlike most organization don't have excessive groupthink going on. We have educated, and knowledgeable eventologists coming together and debating things out honestly and politely (But not always agreeable, and not just for the sake of agreeing but to find out the truth about what actually happens beyond the fight).

I agree with your assessment of Dempsey-Sharkey. Innovative reasoning on Dempsey-Williard but is there any rule you're going by to verify your pick? I say this because Williard tried on to continue fighting in an effort to win the fight. He didn't take any conscionable route to win the event. I just checked, how could I have forgotten rule number 8. Slip off the mind. I do think this rule can create confusion and can blur the lines. Perhaps, when it's almost certainly intentional is it an EVT W for the one who takes the beating. In this case, Williard could've quit and ended the fight. But soldiered on in order to win the EVT.

Think your right on Dempsey-Firpo, regardless of any Argentino knockdown versions that may or may not exist. Quality work. A clear great analysis and assessment of the late great Dempsey's EVT W/L history. :good

 

Glencoffe Johnson has won more events than Floyd has made excuses.


P4P ATG #1 in the event category !

 

Thankyou very much for you kind words, we live in an exciting new age.

Re Dempsey-Willard for me big Jess ticks a lot boxes;
Take a sustained beating- check.
Suffer terrible injuries- check
Engaging in theatrics on the canvas- check
Survive that 1st round at all- check

 

Indeed.

It was a slip on my part.

I think you're right on your earlier brief comments on Archie Moore (Although I think you confused Patterson for Louis). He definitely holds a EVT win over Marciano. I do think he holds EVT wins over Patterson, Ali, and Durelle

I'll run an assessment on his career later. A true EVT ATG and Legend.

 

A glaring error on my part which is now edited:good

My upcoming focus will be on the events involving the fab4. I look forward to reading your work as always.

 

May I put forward two Antipodean offerings for the collective sages of the MEM to chew over:

Mundine EVT10 Ottke
Briggs EVT1 Green

I would humbly suggest that going to Germany and giving Ottke a clear and concise win ( as tough a task as can be ) must figure quite highly on multiple events criteria

I would put forward both Mundine/Briggs as both having fine events careers. Particularly Mundine.

Anthony, not content with his monumental events victory against Ottke, then followed up his talk of fighting ( and beating ) Pacquiao, Mayweather et al with ...... a loss to the mighty Garth Wood, and a KO loss no less, giving him a clear EVT5.

 

Some very, very strong eventing while I was away in this thread. It's a pleasure to see some historical events such as Dempsey vs Sharkey :happy

 

What are your thoughts on starting a MEM hall of fame thread?

Past & present boxers could be nominated by anyone, give a few examples of their best EVT wins & be debated/voted in?

:think

 

Mike Tyson has only lost a few events, one to Douglas and one maybe to Razor Ruddock in their first fight. And I guess to Holyfield in their first fight. Tyson usually dominates any other event.

But Christ, we must be running out of things to talk about on this site...

 

What are people's opinions on me forming a draft for a p4p top 10 'event fighters'. Of course everybody would get a chance to have their say and contribute, I could just get the ball rolling. It would be a pleasure to assist the MEM in this way

 

The current, active p4p MEM ratings are..

1. Marquez
2. Hopkins
3. Martinez
4. Solis
5. Harrison

The top 2 stand out by far, 3rd & 4th are very close I wouldnt object if anyone had Solis over Sergio after Saturday.
The 6-10 spots are still unclear, I would welcome any analysis on the slightly lower profile EVT warriors.

 

This sounds like a stunning idea and one which would go down in ESB folklore. Work should begin on this right away!

I'll remake our vital guide to winning an event thread :deal

 

Well certainly Chisora would feature somewhere imo. Does VITLAY's embarassing destruction at the hands of Solis take him out of the top 10 even with the Lewis win? I'm not sure. I think Nate Campbell is a strong contender definitely, Ola Afolabi gets a great deal of credit in my book for both winning the event + fight vs Maccarinelli. Another man I would have floating around the list is Nascimento who fought Tyson Fury, still a protege but a potential ATG in event boxing