Could Anyone Stand And Trade With a Peak Tyson from 1986-88

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Also Tyson would wear him down with devestating body-punches, then Ike would be ready to drop, & Mike would smell blood...

 

Although I favor Tyson over Foreman, Foreman brings some things to the table which are in his favor.

If he gets refs like he did in the 70's who allow him to push fighters backwards, it would make things difficult.

Listons another favorite of mine but the tipping point in that fight is basically I feel Tyson can take Listons punches better than Liston can take Tysons.

Louis has a good shot obviously but I don't see him surviving the initial four or five rounds.

 

Kalasinn and Tyson got knocked out by Buster Douglas....maybe you forgot about that. Ike's punching power is far more devastating so it wouldn't take him 10 rounds to do it.

I don't remember Tyson wearing down Douglas and knocking him out either. Yeah don't believe that happened. Don't remember him beating a washed up Holyfield either. It must be nice to see things through rose colored glasses. Seeing what you want to believe.

 

I can't help watching the Tyson-Ruddock slugfests & Foreman-Lyle...& thinking Tyson takes bombs better than young Foreman.

Foreman didn't have a granite chin until his comeback, young Foreman just had a decent chin. I don't hold the KO loss to Ali against him (he was gassed by then), but i did notice Ali was rocking him with timed righthands throughout, often several times a round! Plus Lyle dropped him twice & almost KO'd him...Tyson punches a lot harder, faster & more accurate than Lyle, had exceptional timing & is a vastly superior finisher.

 

Besides Tye Fields, probably not.

 

I'm smellin' a bit of the Johnnie Cochran race card in this response. Carve that possum anyone?

To answer this thread, Sullivan, Jeffries, Louis, Marciano, Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Quarry, Lyle and Shavers would stand and trade with Tyson. Who survives a stand and trade contest peak for peak with Tyson is another thread, but I'd bet on all of the above landing significant shots and hurting Mike.

Tyson's power is not average Pachilles. Watch the Botha fight when he was well past his age and the White Buffalo was actually boxing decently and smiling for a couple of rounds. Tell me about the right hand shot that ended the fight.

Dempsey could have defended against Wills or Langford but didn't. Jeannette and McVey were too old in Dempsey's time despite being denied by all the other white champions before them.

Jack Johnson as an old man after getting out of jail called out Dempsey but still never got a shot at him.

 

You'll get to know Pachilles better the longer you stay, round15.

 

At first it wouldn't seem like the list would be sunstantive but then you have the fact that someone like Ruddock traded with Tyson, so it's hard to say with any certainty. I would go with a focused Foreman in a brawl, with a permissive referee i would be even more confident. There is always the chance that Tyson could catch him with something big though, i don't think young Foremans chin was as good as it was in his comeback. I could see Liston doing well too. If Frazier survives early then i see him breaking Mike down. So there's three that i think have a good chance.

 

Ruddock traded with Tyson in '91-92. Peak Tyson was a whole different proposition.

 

Old Foreman was smarter but not as dangerous as his younger counterpart. The young one would've killed Morrison & Schulz imo. I also think the old Foreman's durability gets overrated. He got hurt by Holyfield and we all can agree that Tyson hit harder and wouldn't get as brawl-happy as Holy got had they fought then. If Tyson hurt Foreman as bad(most possibly worse) as Holyfield did then it's fight over and a TKO win for Tyson. You also have to factor in that Tyson prime/peak was sharper than the one Holy fought as was even the one that fought Ruddock. Holyfield pre-Bowe II couldn't take the punishment of a prime Tyson while he was still trying to become a bigger heavyweight imo.

 

I know, but then you get in to a big debate as to exactly how diminished Mike was at various points in his career. He looked Stellar against Bruno in 1996 for instance. I fell that Mike gets given a huge ammount of slack in regards to his performances, more so than any other fighter.

 

Someone mentioned Evander Holyfield earlier in the thread - and I completely agree with them.Holyfield has the speed to match Tyson's,the power and counter punching to keep Tyson honest,and,with an iron jaw and an in iron will,the willingness to trade with Tyson.Could Tyson hurt Holyfield? Sure.Do I see Tyson finishing Holyfield? Absolutely not.


Foreman would be a fun fight,but I see Tyson being far too quick and explosive for him.I see Tyson outlasting oreman in a shootout through superior stamina and conditioning.Not that Tyson was some cardio freak,but his short,sharp,accurate combinations never seemed to take as much out of him as Foreman's heavy,wide arm punches seemed to take out of him.



Tyson would have David Tua in a shell after a round or two of Tua absorbing Tyson's shots.Tua had a solid chin,but he was easy to discourage when hit flush by a hard puncher.



Joe Frazier? Same guy that got dropped and stopped inside of two rounds by the only puncher he ever fought? Tyson would obliterate him.It's debatable whether Frazier would even agree to sign for such a fight

 

Haha, I like this guy.

Funny guy.

 

I'll keep it simple. Anyone who watches film of Johnson and Dempsey and think they'd be succesful against prime Tyson is either deluding himself or knows **** all about boxing.

 

Foreman would be the obvious choice, it would be bad for Tyson if he tried to trade back. But like all good boxers, Tyson tried to hit and also avoid being hit - standing and trading is for 2nd raters like Mayorga to sell tickets, not for actually winning fights.