Is Sergio the next Great White hope even if hes latino??

Hes been living in the States so he probably has been influenced by that, for that reason he might say hes latino.

But ask a regular Joe in Argentina what race he is and nobody will say "im latino"

 

You are probably right, bro. However, he will also say that his people are from Spain and he's white. I already won a bet off a Mexican-American acquaintance of mine.

As I mentioned previously, I am not even a huge Sergio Martinez fan. It's just all of the bull**** and ignorance on here is staggering and, indeed, infuriating.

 

couldn't expect much from an inbred cocksucker with a name like that.

 

How the hell could Pavlik still be a great white hope when he actually won the lineal middleweight championship via knockout....what more were people hoping for out of him?

The ******* won the championship, over a black fighter no less, and still can't shake the "hope" label. Given the actual reaction that happened once he became champion (he didn't blow up as a mainstream fighter, most people still don't know who he is) , I think it's safe to say that people in America, by and large, don't give a **** if a white guy is champion. And if they're hoping for it, there's at least a decent chance they're rooting for him against another white guy for that belt in the first place.

I think it's a case where people who are actively rooting for or against white fighters are simply more vocal than the vast majority of people who simply don't care either way and create straw man arguments to fit their agendas.

 

Sergio is a Mestizo (Indian/Mediterranean Euro Mix). To me, he has stronger Indian features than Medit-Euro...With that said, "Great White Hope"? "White" and Caucasian are two different things. Caucasian is the race, "white" a type within the race. Celtic, Germanic/Scandinavian, Slavic, to me, "white" people. Latins (Spain, Italy, Portugal, Southern France, etc.), Greeks, Turks, North Africans, Arabs, other Semitics, and, of course, many of the Southern Asian peoples are, like "WHITE", types of CAUCASIANS....Long story short, I can't see how anyone could possibly mistake SERGIO for white, much less a "Great White Hope".

 

So according to you're logic

Tito
Cabelerro
Miranda
David Ortiz

are not black??

Cameron Diaz
Christina Aguilara

are not white?

They are all latino? And anyone who says otherwise is trying to "claim" them?

 

I guess we need a racial draft like on the Chapelle show. I wonder what those light skinned Cubans in Miami consider themseves? A true White hope has to be a WASP or Anglo and although Im positive, that if Sergio were to go back in time to say Tupelo Mississipi and its 1953 no one would be denying him access to any all white diners or water fountains. The Norm usually is that a person from South America or the Caribbean no matter how white is never considered A White hope. Yes there are Caucasians in South America the Caribbean and many mixtures in between.

 

This was very well said my friend ! Argentino, consider themself european, just like Espanoles do.

 

White in North America and Europe is a separate cultural identity than the descendants of whites in Latin America. It's not a cut and dry thing. For Martinez to be a GWH, he would have to identify with the dominant culture of NA/EU. Being raised poor in third world Latin America is too much of a cultural barrier for phenotype to trump labels of identity.

He's blanco, he's phenotypically white, but he's not "white" like the populations of NA/EU.

Can't people understand the difference? I doubt anyone is arguing that he isn't a descendant of Spain. The context in which the white race is defined is simply different in Latin America than it is elsewhere.

 

I think the word white hope has lost alot of meaning

People call kelly a white hope but he was undisputed middle weight champ, and came up the proper way beating really contenders...

White hope is more like a bum with no skills, who beats other bums and is hailed as a legit contender...

Kinda like chavez jr... :rofl

 

Okay, so what exactly is Martinez ethnicity (Heritage)? Not his race (This whole white not white debate). I've heard multiple different answers. Any sources to verify this I can't find **** on the subject.

 

Argentina is not really all that poor... Neither is Mexico....

Ukraine and Romania are both POORER than either Mexico or Argentina

So i guess the klit brothers and bute aren't white?

 

:good This should clear things up better. Hispanics ans latinos are much more tolerant of worrying about their champions skin color.

 

You are confusing the issue needlessly. Italians and Spaniards are every bit as white as Norwegians and Germans. Different skin tones does not disqualify one from being white.

Moreover, the fact that he is born in Latin America is entirely irrelevant. If a person of Japanese descent is born in Germany, does that make him of German blood and thus not Asian?? :-(

Sergio is of Spanish, ie Spain, descent. Period. End of. I proved as much already.

 

No, he is not. How many times do you ****ing people have to be told? I settled this debate last fall. A boxing scribe asked him, and he said his people hailed from Spain and he is not... and I'll say it slowly... a mestizo or of North American Indian heritage.

Are you people so goddamn racist that you cannot admit the obvious??

Right, because lots of Amer-Indians have green eyes. :-(

Long story short, I cannot see how people could be so ****ing stupid, or dare I say willfully stupid (ie racist). His heritage is from Spain, not the indigenuous Indian peoples of Argentina.

Seriously, what is so hard to understand??