My boxing coach told me to not lift weights anymore

really? finally....boxers have been using heavy weights to train since they first hung up the heavy bag and did some pull ups.

 

The misinformation thing wasn't towards you Ylem.

Sports are not created equal, but share some similar qualities, can be improved with common principals, top athletes share some training methods, and so on. I never said that all sports should be trained the same, that would be madness. But some things are common to improving most if not all sports.

The video addressed athletes in general, if they would benefit from more strength. I say yes, the guy in the video says yes, that's just two people, if someone disagrees that's what forums are for! Ultimately I would encourage everyone to not be close-minded about any aspect of their training, be willing to try new things. Nobody knows what is "perfect" for every person to improve their athletic capabilities, and it takes years to even know how to train properly and what is best for you. Takes years of personal experience. A good place to start is to find top athletes in the sport you want to be good at, find some common grounds in their training, and try and implement it into your own routine.

 

good post

I disagree and agree on somethings but ill leave it at that, good post.

 

His problem is that because he's lifting weights he's eating too much.

I don't know about you guys, but on a weights day, I literally eat everything in sight. I try to keep the food healthy, but I still eat substantially more, I feel like I'm always hungry.

 

This happens.
He can fill up on lean protein sources, veg, fruit and some carbs if that's what he has after his training sessions, or he can binge and eat everything in site, and put on a bit of weight.

 

This doesn't happen to me. This only happens when I run too much. Weights never really put much more than an initial ten pounds on me and it kind of leveled, though the strength gains kept increasing. Everyone is different, but its the cardio that makes me ravenously hungry.

 

Different body types I suppose. Both weights and running make me ravenously hungry, to the point where it's hard to keep good eating habits.

I also become a sugar fiend when I've been lifting a lot of weights.

 

Do athletes require maximum muscular endurance? Do athletes require maximum cardiovascular endurance? Do athletes require maximum balance? Do athletes require maximum speed? Do athletes require maximum agility? Do athletes require maximum strength?

The answer to all of these aspects of physical fitness is yes, they do. Perhaps they should all, on top of the two or three weight lifting sessions a week, do three running sessions as well. And three yoga sessions for balance. Plus of course three specific sessions for speed, and three for agility.

I'm not saying you should not train to maximise these things but the focus on one single aspect, strength, in boxing is ridiculous. Especially an amateur should focus on sports specific work because that will ensure you work on all the aspects at once, and in perfect harmony with each other.

 

Oh no, I don't think anywhere was strength the only aspect to be worked.
Just a bit of a discussion on that one area.
It shouldn't be a priority over any of the very sport specific qualities, but it can easily be implemented into the athlete's routine, it would never be a question of one or the other, and if it came to that, it would be no contest.

 

If you do 3 lifting sessions a week it's one or the other and not easily implementable at all unless you're severely undertraining.

 

Not really, disagree there, its not as simple as that. Basically, could you do 50 pullups one day a week, 100 pushups another day, and 25 box jumps another day? There's your 3 strength sessions a week on top of your current schedule. I can't see why someone wouldn't be able to do those.

Edited to get rid of long post, lets not start the same argument we do and get nowhere in yet another thread.

 

I wouldn't call 100 pushups a strength training, that's like warming up for bag work. But overtraining is overtraining, as long as you can just add stuff without sacrifice you're undertraining.

Translating "every athlete needs maximum strength" to "every athlete must lift weights" is as wrong as translating "every athlete needs maximum endurance" to "every athlete must run". Or even "every athlete needs strong biceps" to "every athlete must do bicep curls". It's not wrong because it doesn't describe a fact, it's wrong because it's incomplete. Every athlete needs far more than just strength, you need every aspect of physical fitness.

Compare it to a computer model. A model that describes only 1% of reality isn't worth ****. Not because the 1% is wrong, but because 99% is missing.

 

Nothing wrong with lifting, it's just very hard to incorporate it properly into a boxing schedule.

It depends, as always, on your priorities. Mine are simply becoming a better boxer (skill-wise) and having a higher workrate. I'm comfortable with how hard I punch and how fast I am, so while lifting would improve these things (and I believe my previous lifting experience has a lot to do with my punching power/speed right now), it isn't worth it to me to incorporate it into my training AT THIS POINT.

There might be a 2-4 month period toward the end of the year where I do some strength training, but since I only want to train my CNS and avoid muscular growth...it's gonna suck. I'm gonna be mad sore and miserable all of the time. I'll have to cut back on my running and whatnot.

Also, I don't really consider pullups and pushups to be strength training. If you can do more than 10 of them, you're getting into a muscular endurance range. And I'm pretty comfortable with my muscular endurance, so I rarely do pullups, pushups, and situps anymore.

Priorities. Everybody's different.

 

Good post man!!:good

 

rdj you know there are 24 hours a day right?

work capacity increases over time, there is no reaosn why you shouldn't be able to incorporate strength training,.

our olympic boxers have everything periodized, they get their skill work done, conditioning, plyometrics, max strength, agility/speed strength.