Duran of Montreal vs Leonard of the rematch

Opinions seem split on the reason Leonard lost to Duran in Montreal, we are on opposite ends Im afraid, I think he fought a silly fight in Montreal & the SRL of New Orleans would be too much for any version of Duran.

Leonard W15 UD Duran

 

Exactly !

Both SRL & Duran are 2 of my all time fav fighters but Leonard gets a **** deal here where as Duran is up there in a 3 way fan fucfest with Pea & Pac for most man-loved boxer on ESB... true story !

 

Goat 15,

I'm one of the world's greatest 'Duran' nut-grabbers of all-time, but Duran never in his life could truly outbox Ray Leonard at 147 pounds if the sugarman elected to utilize all his speed and movement on Duran as he did in New Orleans.

Duran was the best he could be at 145 pounds up in Canada in 1980. He couldn't possibly top the showing as a welterweight. That was his ernest peak. However, on the flip side of the coin, Ray Leonard neglected much of his mobility and use of his million dollar legs in Canada..

Had Leonard come out in Canada in June 1980 circling and jabbing his way about the ring giving angles and moving side-to-side and in and out on Duran, the fight would've been a whole lot different...

Look what Ray did in 1989. Both were older, slower and past their peaks, but Ray knew he could outbox Duran for a dec. win by "Boxing."

NOTE:

As for the scoring down in New Orleans, I had it 4-2-1 after 7 rds with Ray in the process of taking the 8th when Duran said: "**** It."

Duran was tripping hard in New Orleans...

MR.BILLhat

 

This seems to be the common problem with this fight, you need to watch it with no sound & score it, its difficult to score & nobody clearly won it.

 

This is the way I see it too, Duran was certainly an ATG fighter but no fighter is perfect & Leonard using a stick & move strategy is ALL wrong for Roberto... Im not saying Duran cant beat any decent fighter when they use those tactics but he has trouble with that style & Leonard is special enough to apply that style to a point where no version of Duran gets to him enough to outpoint him.

 

I do not use the emoticons much do I? Very perceptive. I never got used to using them. What is a T1000 terminator thing mean?

 

my point was simply that leonard couldn't have employed those tactics in montreal because of the intensity of duran that night when closing the distance, fighting inside etc.

a lot of factors contribute to whether someone is able to impose his gameplan in a fight. duran imposed his in montreal, and leonard imposed his in new orleans. i really don't think that leonard's ego had anything to do with it - this underestimates the greatness of that duran performance. equally, i don't think that duran's physical condition had much to do with the rematch result. when you have two great fighters, fighting more than once, they will each find ways to win. these two fighters had so much to their games, i don't think we can say that either wins 10/10 fights if they simply 'choose' to fight a certain way. because in boxing, you can't just choose to fight a certain way - the other guy has a say in the matter too. and when that other guy is duran, or leonard, chances are he's going to have something up his sleeve.

 

I have to disagree with Popkins. Dan Jamson wasn't responsible for the best post on this thread, that honour belongs to Pachilles. See signature for details. Classic!

 

Good way to view things. :good

I for one hope Morales hands out a brutal schooling and goes down as a greater fighter than MAB. Seriously.

 

He was doing more than Duran was doing while mocking him, he broke him mentally, that was too much for Duran to handle & he walked away knowing that SRL in this style & mindset was just gonna box the **** out of him until the end, Duran knew that no matter what he tried that night he was getting bested & that was it plain & simple.

 

Duran was intense in Canada, but he wasn't as intense as Hagler was in round 1 against Hearns in 1985 Vegas. That was intense pressure on Hearns, so Hearns was forced to slug with Hagler.

Leonard thought he was bigger, stronger, faster and better than Duran. However, Leonard didn't realize how seasoned and savvy Duran really was until he was actually in the fight. Leonard also underestimated Duran's stamina. Leonard applied the rope-a-dope technique in Canada thinking Duran would punch himself out, but Duran was well prepared for fight # 1. Leonard had poor judgement and a flawed plan in Canada.

MR.BILL

 

Whether Morales wins or loses vs Maidana, both he & MAB will always be interchangeable on the majority of lists I think, thats why I think their rivalry is the GOAT p4p.

Ps. Well said tho, especially with you being a huge Barrera fan :good

 

I consider them interchangeable now, so if a horribly shot Erik Morales defeats Carlos Maidana, one of the leading contenders at 140lbs, a fighter who just almost knocked out Amir Khan, well then that distinguishes him for me.

 

why didn't leonard change tactics midfight? or even try 'boxing and moving' for a round or so?

 

Yes, but a non-beating is not as much of a beating as an actual beating. That is kind of unarguable, no?