If wlad sends Vitali to fight Haye, and Haye then pulls out...

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  1. exumspate

    exumspate Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You don't see having to prepare for two completely different opponents in the biggest fight in boxing, or at the very least your career, as a disadvantage?
     
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  2. exumspate

    exumspate Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The Klits have a monopoly on the HW championship, non-unified of course, they can demand any contract they wish, true...But, fans should care when a 50/50 contract, the best contract they have to offer, involves the chicken**** klit-clause that lets either/or switch fighters on the challenger...
     
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  3. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    So, Vitali isn't hiding behind Wlad?

    You aren't making any sense. The point of both of the contracts is that Adamek and Haye get a shot at either Klitschko. The fighters don't have to "guess" who their opponent will be. It isn't as if their won't be a press tour and training camp for each fight. It isn't as if they are going to have to wait and see who comes out of the dressing room on fight night.:lol: WTF are you talking about?

    The reason for the contracts being the way that they are is because Wlad has a pre-existing injury. Not only that... he was just in failed negotiations with Haye and Vitali had an upcoming fight when the contract with Adamek was signed. As for Haye... he knew the contract too. The point is that if Wlad was to not be over his injury, or if Vitali was to somehow have a problem, ect.... the fight would be saved by each fighter still getting a shot against either brother. Either way we have Haye vs Klitschko and Adamek vs Klitschko. Either way you swap them is fine. Both smaller Champs from lower divisions moving up to face the Klitschko brothers. Haye isn't any more imporant than Adamek.

    You act like Haye and Adamek weren't aware of the contracts that they signed. If they weren't fine with them... then they wouldn't have signed them. Wlad can only fight one of them... either one would be fine.

    You also make no sense because it is so outrageously clear that Wlad's resume has been MUCH stronger than Vitali's, and Wlad has never... NEVER ducked a challenge or hid behind his brother in any way. So... once again... WTF are you talking about?
     
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  4. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Are you ******ed? Haye gets 9 weeks notice what brother he will be facing.

    Haye has to fight them both anyway if he wants all the belts so what does it matter who he fights first?
     
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  5. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    You are making an issue based on your imagination.

    IF? Why would Wlad ever do that in the first place? :think
     
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  6. Goodhill

    Goodhill Iron Horse - born to lose Full Member

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    :good
     
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  7. exumspate

    exumspate Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Styles make fights and I'm sure you don't contend wlad and Vitali are the same style...Style wise, it would appear to me, Haye has a better shot against wlad and Ademek would be slightly more trouble for Vitali, although Vitali should handle him easily...wlad should still be heavily favored vs Haye, wlad made the videos calling him out, wlad pursued this fight in the media, wlad should be the one to fight...

    I appreciate the hypotheticals for injuries but, they are part of any sport, yet, I don't recall Pac or Hatton having any hypotheticals in their contracts with their brothers as stand ins...I think it's pretty clear what happens when there's an injury, it gets rescheduled...

    As far as Vitali being better than wlad and protecting him, one gets that idea from Corrie Sanders and to a much lesser extent Sam Peter...I still think Arreola presented much more trouble for wlad...

    The other thing that makes me think Vitali is by far the superior fighter is the fact he's never hit the canvas, even with half his face falling off, while wlad can't say the same thing...Haye's a much bigger puncher than Ademek, IDK, smells fishy to me wlad needs a new injury clause that involves his brother fighting the bigger puncher...
     
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  8. exumspate

    exumspate Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Question for a question, are you contending the contract is imaginary?
     
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  9. exumspate

    exumspate Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yet, wlad is looking for and locking in good sparring partners now...

    wlad pursued this fight against Haye, it makes a huge difference who fights it...
     
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  10. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Are you forgetting that Haye already backed out of a scheduled fight with Wlad?

    Trust me... Wlad and Vitali didn't make those contracts to protect Haye... **** Haye. He has already screwed up enough fights with both of them. They made those contracts to protect themselves. That way... Haye can't run away and hide. If Wlad's stomach isn't healed up by the time needed to fight Haye... Vitali would fight Haye and Wlad would fight Adamek which is further away. Seems rather simple to me. Why the **** are you bitching and complaining about contracts? What percentage is Haye giving you? The point is that OBVIOUSLY HAYE LIKED THE CONTRACT.... or he wouldn't have signed it. We all know how much trouble it is to get Haye to sign a contract.

    So, simple as this. Haye likes the contract.... Adamek likes the contract... Wlad and Vitali both like the contract.... what's the problem? There is no problem other than people who pretend to be boxing fans, yet sit around complaining about signed contracts that all parties are happy with. Amazing.

    BTw... you are completely wrong. If Haye has a better chance of beating either Klitschko... it's clearly Vitali. Not only is he older, slower, and on the decline... but he is much easier to hit. He also doesn't deal with movement nearly as good as Wlad does, and doesn't have Wlad's great footwork to keep up with the speedier fighters. You are basing all of this nonsense on your silly idea of Wlad having this glass chin... that nobody has been able to seem to find since Corrie Sanders... or before.
     
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  11. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Injury or not that will make it Haye walking away from 4 Klit fights, to Wlad pulling out once against Haye. Definately Mr. Haye will still be the big chicken
     
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  12. exumspate

    exumspate Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've rarely seen a contract 'all parties are happy with', it's always a matter of leverage...I have fairly strong opinions on the Klitschkos contract ethics given what I have read, although I do recognize what I've read may not always be the gospell...Agree to disagree on our opinions here...

    BTW, I don't think wlad has a bad chin, it's far better than advertized, he never went unconscious in any of his KO losses...It's his fortitude I question, the warrior mentality...I would like to see wlad prove me wrong, I just don't think this is a good way to do it...
     
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  13. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In that case, Haye and Wlad.

    I REALLY doubt Wlad will pull out though.
     
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  14. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Vlad has nothing to be afraid of, nothing at all. Vlad signed a contract to fight Haye before and Haye backed out. Vitali had an implied contract with Haye and Haye backed out. Vitali or Vlad will knock Haye out anyway, it makes no real difference which one Haye fights. Vitali and Vlad both have wanted to fight Haye for a long time now.
     
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  15. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    No . . . but Wlad will have to have a very valid and acceptable reason before he can do that.

    Wlad already signed a contract to fight Haye before but Haye made excuses, I just don't see Wlad making excuses and pass on the fight to Vitali now.
     
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