Is Sergio the next Great White hope even if hes latino??

Thank you for once again reinforcing what I have stated earlier: the ignorance of many of the posters on here is staggering here.

I guess the immigrants of English, German, and Italian extraction in Argentina aren't white either.

 

Yawn. Wake me when you offer something worth reading.

 

Nah, the 12% that are decended from Irish immigrants arent white either!

 

And when white folks do root for a white fighter, hypocrite assholes like you are the first ones to stand up and accused them of being racist.

 

Che boludo

 

Doesn't that mean, loosely, "hey, my stupid friend?" LOL

 

Thanks hoops. I'll the "might be Italian" is just speculation based on the fact Argentina has a high Italian immigrant population. No real substance to that, though. I figured he was Spanish.

 

You obviously have been selective reading what you want.. As i said earlier most Latinos have Spanish bloodlines, are all the latino fighters considered white Now? Do you really think Chavez,Duran,Sanhez,Carlos Ortiz, Wilfredo Gomes,Monzon,Delahoya,Tapia etc etc are 100% native?

I know ur not some snot nose youngster hoops and im assuming you have been long time boxing fan... So you should know that Argentinans greats have always been lumped into the categories of "Great Latino fighters" Not great whie hopes.. Why the change now that Martinez is on the scene?

As for your bet i guess it would be on how the question was put to him.. If you asked him his heritage from what you say hed say spanish.. But i will say again just about all the latino fighters i mentioned have spanish blood lines.. You wanna claim the now too?
One other point that i mentioned before i see Mexican and other Latinos that have Martinez complexion and features all the time, are they all white now?.. Dude speaks spanish is from a Barrio in Latin america and does not look white.

Carl Froch is white
Kelly Pavlik is white
Tomasz Adamek is white
RIckey Hatton is white

Coprende?

 

A good point in one sense. Even the blood-line in Spain isn't just 100% consistent in skin color tones. Some people have much darker complexions than say Pau Gasol. Race being constructed merely by skin-color is wrong. But I think this is making a bigger point that race is really just a meaningless social construction. Even if is clear cut. So you can be a white Latino and a black Latino, but if you're actually mezitzo (Mix Native-American and Spanish) you're just Latino. And that's still not your race? Or it is... only when being a mezitzo. But for others it's just a culture and language construction?

 

I understand what you're persisting about. Not everyone from Latin-America knows their heritage/ancestry, but all would consider themselves Latino and not white regardless of their skin complexion (Unless they know their parents where white or know their heritage. So examples like Uruguay and Argentina always contradict this). So this idea, does really get blurred to a point. So you're 1/8 Native-American and 7/8 Spanish but have fairly dark skin (In white terms), and some Native traits... are you still white? Can Mezitzo be your race (You are that though) even when you're 7/8 European. To further complicate things, I definitely think there's a bit of Native/Mezitzo blood in Spain. Like what Cortes did with his son (Was mixed) to bring him back to Spain and get him legitimized by the Pope (Something like that). I believe many Native Americans or mixed ones went back on some of the ships to Spain. I swear a guy like Rafa Nadeal has some Native blood/traits in them somewhere. Penelope Cruz is also another candadite potentially. But then look at someone like Pau Gasol. No dispute there.

But someone like Oscar De La Hoya or Alvarez look less mixed/Mezizto than Rafa or Cruz. Can they both be white? Oscar could have 90-98% of his bloodline from Spain. But he would consider himself a Mexican, and Latino. Can he be a white Mexican that's Latino, too because of his blood-line?

 

You're point here is well taken, particularly in the case of Sanchez. However, there is one salient difference here: the folks you mentioned are quite likely mestizos. Sergio, on the other hand, is not.

He was asked and said his heritage comes from Spain, and his blood lines do not include Ameri-Indian blood. Now, unless he is lying, the man is therefore white.

Chavez, incidentally, probably doesn't have a drop of Spanish blood in him. He looks exactly like he hails from Native North American Indian heritage.

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If you wish to call them "Latino," you can do so. I won't quarrel as he's from Latin America and speaks Spanish. The term Latino, though, does not disqualify him from being white.

Incidentally, I knew a girl from Chile while I was in college, and like Sergio, her heritage was from Spain. If you called her a Latina, she would not freak out. Yet, if you asked her what she was, she would say Chilean (as Sergio says Argentinian). Ask her what her heritage is, however, and she would it's from Spain and not Ameri-Indian.

See the difference??

No, it wouldn't. I won the bet because my acquaintance with whom I won the bet said he was a mestizo, as you did. Sergio said that he was neither of Native Ameri-Indian blood nor a mestizo.

Honestly, what's left to say??

The trouble, here, is that most Mexican-American and other Hispanics in the US have never come across a an indvidual of 100% Spanish blood (ie a Spaniard). I would be willing to bet, for example, that every one you know of Spanish blood is a Hispanic, ie of mixed heritage.

Consequently, you assume that everyone who speaks Spanish is such. There are folks that are 100% Spaniards. My grandfather is one. He is white and European, yet he speaks Spanish as fluently as you and grew up in poverty. Does that make him not one as well??

How does Sergio not look white? How many Ameri-Indians do you know of that have green eyes? Compare the native Indians of Argentina with Martinez and then tell me he doesn't look white.

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Notice the difference?

Yes, they are all white.

Guess what? Lionel Messi, who also hails from Argentina, is also white. His heritage is from Italy and Spain.

Juan Fernandez, also from Argentina, is also white.

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Are you going to tell me he isn't white??

 

Not true. Those people of European heritage in Latin America considers themselves white.

Trust me, I know a guy who played pro ball in Argentina for a number of years and married an Argetine girl of Italian-German heritage.

She considered herself white.

Yes, there are Mexicans of European heritage (ie Spain).

 

I said there are exceptions, especially when they know of their European heritage.

So you would classify Oscar was white, too? Just checking, or would you resist without knowing all the details (Although him and Alvarez look it). This is entirely the point I'm making, I haven't disagreed with anything you've said if you've noticed.

 

Martinez can trace his spanish descent two generations back or so, right?

 

I live in south texas and Sergio Martinez would absolutely be mistaken for a mexican.He wouldn't stick out one bit speaking spanish in a border town, other than his dialect.