Is Sergio the next Great White hope even if hes latino??

Im from Spain and Sergio Martínez looks more "white" (that northamericans consideres white) than many people on here.He even has green eyes, in Spain mayority of people have black eyes or brown eyes.And we are latins (and whites), because our lenguage descend of the latin idiom (romans), so, the hispanic descendent cultures in Ámerica are latins too.

And lol at the Roberto Durán is not white comentary ¿Arturo Gatti neither? Lol :rofl

 

What a lame topic.

 

Well you see one of my best friends is born in Mexico, but his family is full blooded Spanish their last name Jurado, not common among Mexicans. According to him, in Europe they are considered white, but they take offense being lumped in as latinos or hispanic not because they know they are hispanic or latino but for the reason they do not like being labeled as in the same group as mestizos or anyone in the western hemisphere. The Spaniards I know feel strongly about that, but those are the ones I know. Remember hispanic means pertaining to Hispania including its colonies while latino
doesnt necessarily have to be hispanic but can be. Its kinda complicated, but you'll get it.

 

In terms of boxing IQ, you are one of the very best on here. On this issue, however, you seem to have a mental block.

We can agree or disagree on the definition of the term "Latino." In fact, I have said on numerous occasions that I have no quarrel per say with callimg him Latino.

Nonetheless, arguments about what is or what isn't a "Latino" is entirely immaterial to the conversation. Sergio's heritage is from Spain. He's not a mestizo or an Indio. Period.

Want to call him a Latino? Be my guest. But it doesn't alter the fact that as a Spaniard, he's white. End of.

And how many of the fighters that you call "Latino" are actually Spaniards born in the New World, ie Latin America, and thus white??

By your defintion of "Latino"-- speak Spanish, born in Latin America ect-- Juan Fernandez of Temple is a Latino.

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And you're going to tell me that he isn't white?? LOL

Has it ever occurred to you that Pau Gasol feels more comfortable in a community that speaks the same language as he does and has borrowed much from Spanish (ie Spain) cultural norms?

Remember, the peoples of this nation were Indian prior to the arrival of the Spaniards. Hence, when Pau Gasol reaches out to the Amercian "Latino" or Mexican-American community, he is reaching out to people that have embraced the language and culture of his people (ie Spaniards), not the other way around.

Hoops.

 

Exactly. I still have relatives in Spain, and none of them would ever prefer to be called a "hispanic" or "Latino" because of their connotations in the Western Hemisphere.

In America, Latino or "hispanic" has become synonomous with not white. Indeed, consider many of the posts on this very thread.

Yet no Spaniard that I know of considers himself anything but white.

 

Excellent post.

Please educate the folks on here.

Have you ever been to Latin America? And if so, have you ever encountered a person of Spanish (ie from Spain) heritage down there that considered himself anything but white?

 

this is the answer to this ****ing thread, it has all the answers read it dammit and it should be clear wether Martinez is a W-HOPE and the concept of race in Spanish speaking Countries

 

There seems to be a lot of confusion about certain terms on here:

Latino - a citizen (regardless of their ethnicity) of Latin America, namely countries in the Americas where Spanish or Portuguese (both tongues deriving from Latin) has become the dominant language. This has little to do with race: the Roman Empire left a linguistic legacy in Spain, even though it was subsequently peopled by the Vandals (a Germanic tribe), the Visigoths (another Germanic tribe), the Moors (a Berber and Arabic semitic-speaking people) and finally it was "reconquered" by Western Christendom at large. So factor in these events and the racial landscape of Spain changes beyond recognition from Roman times. Anyway, my point is that the Spanish aren't "Latino", neither is anyone else in Europe. Spanish is a "Romance" language i.e. it evolved largely from Latin, as did French, Italian, Romanian, etc. This does not make anyone from those countries of Latin or "Latino" ethnicity, they just happen to speak a Latin-based tongue.

Hispanic - Applies to Spanish culture in general or to someone of at least partial Spanish descent.

Latino people (for instance Sergio Martinez) can quite plausibly be considered "white" if that's what their appearance tells you. The same goes for Solis, he is obviously of (at least partial) black African descent but he is a Latino because he is from a Latin American country.

White - The majority of peoples from Iran to iceland, Russia to Portugal would be considered white ("Iran" coming from the same root as "Aryan").

 

is Diego Maradona white he is also from Argentina?

 

He could be part Guarani, but as far as I know he's "white".

 

As a spokesperson for the Honky Boxing Organization (the real HBO), I'm pleased to announce that we have indeed officially drafted Sergio Martinez. Expect a press release shortly.

 

I know in person one argentinian and one mexican (both lives here in Spain) and they consideres themselves whites.

The spanish people consideres our country (Spain) as a latin country.The italians too( my uncle is italian), and the french and portuguesse people the same.



Latin (latino in spanish language) is not a race, is a cultural identity.Indian maybe is , but I think that the anthropologists consideres pure indians part of mongoloid race.


From the spanish wikipedia:

En el sentido original del término, la

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es aquella de los

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, el pueblo fundador de Roma; Por extensión la cultura latina designa la de la

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y del

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que difundió la civilización romana sobre todas las provincias que conquistó.
Hoy los países de cultura latina agrupan a pueblos que se dicen latinos, es decir cuya lengua, herencia cultural o étnica o todas ellas se derivan de la

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. Podemos citar entre ellos a gran parte de los pueblos

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I applaud the posters and admins for allowing a civil discourse regarding this subject. It really is the best way to educate and lower tensions. However, this thread has been going around and around (not unlike most) with posters merely repeating themselves page after page. It makes searching for the occasional nugget of insight or funny one liner, very arduous.

 

So, what is the resolution to this conflict? Aint that guy white? Dare I say a sorta White hope of the highest regard and skill level.

 

He's white and latino.
At the end of his fights he gives a shoutout to all latinos.
Therefore he's latino.



but white


any heads gonna explode over this?

Latinos don't find white and black latinos as strange as the rest of the world does apparently.