Top Ten Head 2 Head HW list

you better take yo ass to the store wit' that

 

Conteh of the Preacher whatever his name was and Terry Daniels fights should fit into the top ten nicely.

 

1. Vitali Klitschko
2. George Foreman
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Oliver McCall
5. David Tua
6. Nikolay Valuev
7. Riddick Bowe
8. Ike Ibeabuchi
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Mike Tyson


11. Lennox Lewis
12. Larry Holmes
13. Wladimir Klitschko
14. Joe Frazier
15. Joe Louis
16. Tony Tucker
17. James Smith
18. Chris Byrd
19. James Douglas
20. Jameel McCline

21. Rocky Marciano

 

Vitali Klitschko was beaten by your number eleven.
Foreman was beaten by Ali.
David Tua was beaten by your number eleven.
Oliver McCall was beaten by your number eleven.


You are a crazy spastic *******.
Jameel McCline? Really?

 

Time for me to put a proper list on here...

1. 60s Ali
2. Tyson
3. 70s Foreman
4. Holmes
5. Louis
6. Bowe
7. Liston
8. Holyfield
9. Dempsey
10. Johnso

People are underrating Tyson. He would easily KO Louis, Johnson, Lewis, Frazier etc. Only Ali would beat him.

 

without order

lennox lewis
mike tyson
vitali klitschko
larry holmes
ali
foreman
louis
holyfield
wladimir klitschko
jack johnson

 

will post mine l8r .
my list is v. good .

 

1) John L Sullivan
2) Jim Jeffries
3) Bob Fitzsimmon
4) James Corbett
5) Jack Dempsey
6) Tommy Burns
7) Rocky Marciano
8) Joe Choynsky
9) Jack Sharkey
10) Jack Johnson

 

More important than any of those points, he badly underrated Sugar Niko, having him at only #6 is an insult. :verysad

 

1. Joe Louis - I can't seem to find any way to rank these guys and not have him No. 1. Even head-to-head, he has the most complete package.
2. Larry Holmes - Didn't have the overall footwork or handspeed of Ali, but no one else in HW history did either. He did have the best jab in HW history, and great timing; two things that neutralize Ali's strengths.
3. Ali - Obviously a prime Joe Frazier beat a prime Ali, but the rest of the ATG give Frazier more trouble than Ali.
4. Lennox Lewis - Provided it was a focused and in shape Lewis. The manner of his losses is one of the biggest enigmas in boxing. His abilities are on par with any of the ATGs. I think he stands a better than 50-50 shot against anyone not ranked above him, with the possible exception of early Foreman. Early Foreman may be just the right guy to put him to sleep, even if Lewis is on his game. He'd have to do it early though.
5. Joe Frazier - You could flip-flop him and Tyson, they are so similar. I give Smokin Joe the edge because he ruled a far superior era.
6. Mike Tyson - I hesitated to put these two below Lewis, but I think both, being much shorter, would have trouble getting to a focused Lewis. And I also ranked Joe above Tyson because Joe's prospects of getting that KO wouldn't diminish as much in the later rounds as Tyson's would.

Honestly guys, everyone else I can think of would just result in a smorgasboard of mixed results.
I must add the disclaimer that I simply don't consider myself knowledgeable enough of the pre-30s eras to make a determination on those guys. I could throw Dempsey and Sulllivan and Johnson in there, but I'd be doing so on appearances.

I do wonder though, why Marciano is on no one's list at all. Unless I missed something somewhere. I skimmed through as I got in on this late.

 

1 ali
2 holmes
3 liston
4 louis
5 foreman
6 frazier
7 bowe
8 tyson
9 lewis
10 dempsey

 

Lewis is too steep considering who he ended up losing to. In comparison, Holmes went 48-0 on his best streak before Spinks bested him, regardless of how bad you see the opposition Holmes in his best days never would've had a McCall or Rahman moment. He got up against Shavers, who hit much harder than Rahman. Tyson's got to be above Frazier, it's just a styles thing. He operates much better against punchers, and should do well against boxers, even if Frazier does better in that aspect. I know you dig him, though. I'm not the bigger Holmes fan either but strange finding myself thinking Lewis feels wrong having him 3 spots ahead, considering his career. Don't ya think?

 

Lewis has size, has top level boxing skills and top level KO power. He has alot going for him here, theres no real bad style matchups for him in my list. I favour him over most of the smaller guys and think he's probably the hardest matchup on there for Ali, too.

Frazier is my homeboy, no doubt. But i really do rate peak Frazier. I see him swarm-****ing almost everybody on that list, most importantly the boxers Ali, Holmes and Lewis. Barring the massive banger Foreman of course. And i also thin he'd fare alot better against Tyson than most people do. If Tyson doesnt put him away early and he runs out of ideas, he's getting dragged into deep waters and swarm-****ed also, maybe.

 

I like this one, but Liston deserves to be in there more than about half of those guys.

 

Latest version, probably much more controversial than previous versions:

Peak H2H

1. Muhammad Ali ('65 Patterson to '67 Folley) (8 fights)

2. Mike Tyson ('86 Ribalta to '88 Spinks) (10 fights)

3. Lennox Lewis ('97 McCall II to '00 Tua) (10 fights)

4. Evander Holyfield ('90 Douglas to '93 Bowe II) (7 fights)

5. Larry Holmes ('78 Shavers I to '82 Cobb) (14 fights)

6. Riddick Bowe ('92 Holy to '93 Holy II) (4 fights)

7. Sonny Liston ('59 Dejohn to '60 Machen) (9 fights)

8. George Foreman ('73 Frazier I to '74 Ali) (4 fights)

9. Joe Frazier ('68 Mathis to '71 Ali) (8 fights)

10. Vitali Klitschko ('02 Puritty to '04 Williams) (6 fights)


Notes:

List doesn't include sub-200lbers, those i know little about (e.g. Louis) or unfilmed fighters.

Holy is above Bowe, because i favour '93 Holy (Bowe II) 55-45 against '92 Bowe I (Holy I). Plus Holyfield performs better against Tyson, Lewis, Liston, Foreman, Vitali...whereas Bowe performs better against Holmes & Frazier.

While i favour Holmes over Holy, i have Holy higher, since he performs better against Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Liston, Frazier & Vitali...while Holmes performs better against Ali & Foreman.