Seriously people lets behonest Pavlik vs Lopez is a joke fight.

I fought for 7 years. Won 2nd place in GA golden gloves. Assit my ex-coach to train the young kids at our gym now since I had my own son plus help train current Pro fighters.

My dad won #3rd place in the Pan-Am Games at 125 lbs. for Puerto Rico back in 70s. Look it up Carlos Calderon.

I been born into this sport. I'm sure I know more about this sport than you'll ever know. Don't **** test my boxing knowledge *****.


Oh and I'm taking intro to psych in college btw.

 

What are you tryin' to get at any ways dude?

You wake up this morning thinkin' "I'm gonna go on the forums and talk Pavlik fans out of havin' any hope of his comin' back" "Yep, that's what I'm gonna do"?

Pavlik fans stick around thick and thin buddy, and it'll take a hell of a lot more than somebody bitchin' about the failed rematch with Martinez to get any of our opinions swayed.

So if you have somethin' else you wanna talk about cool...

 

Right on, right on.

Comeback? Is this Pavlik's 3rd comeback? C'mon. Kelly's never been gone, he's been down on his luck, but he's always been around. No excuses please.

 

Ray, this is a stupid thread. Seriously.

We both agree that Lopez is unproven and Manfredo is poor - Both are bad choices, yes. However, Martinez is top 5 P4P and on the crest of a wave whereas Pavlik is coming back from serious issues. One is owed an easy fight, the other should be looking to fight the absolute best.

They are incomparable. There's a chance that Pavlik is shot, so let's just see how he fares in his comeback fight. As for Martinez/Manfredo, there are no excuses at all.

 

Pavlik put in an effort to make weight for the Martinez that tells me he has not lost the desire. However, making weight lost him the fight. I was at the weigh in. He came in WET. That is how hard he had to work to make weight. It was such an effort that I was told the night before that he would not be returning to middle weight. The weight battle was just getting to be too much. I think he was still 4/5 pounds over the night before the fight. His team was resigned to the fact that Kelly would lose the title on the scale. Kelly wasn't.

If the weigh in is still on the net, look it up. After he weighs in he goes back and does hi-fives with his team like he had just won the fight. He worked his ass off so that he wouldn't lose the title on the scale. Does that sound like someone that doesn't have the desire?

He told his corner at the end of the eight round he could not feel his legs. Kelly had killed himself to make weight and was paying the price. When was lack of stamina ever a problem for him before? He grew older and the weight finally just would not stay off.

He wanted a rematch with Martinez but wanted it at 164. He had decided making 160 again would lead to the same results. He had simply outgrown the weight class and their was no going back. (Forget the crap about him coming back that surfaced later with the Chavez fight. Kelly could beat Chavez weight drained, not Martinez though. This was just Arum dangling money out there to try and tempt him back) It is alright for Martinez to call out natural 140/147 pounders but he won't go up another 4 pounds for the rematch? He weighed 171 on fight night, his last fight. Kelly weighed in 168 in his first Taylor fight. Kelly was a 'big' MW and Martinez is a 'small' MW? :bart

Summation. If you are writing Kelly off because you think he lacks drive and desire, you will be sorely disappointed. :yep

 

I think it's unfair on Martinez to put it solely down to Pavlik being weight drained. That fight went pretty much exactly as I thought it would and even if Pavlik wasn't 100%, he wasn't as bad as he or his fans make out. So many people say, defending his loss, that he won four of the middle rounds and that's true. The second third of the fight was his and if he truly was as bad as people say, he wouldn't have been able to do that.

Martinez is just a bad style for Pavlik. There's no shame in losing to him. Pavlik met his match and one day, Martinez will meet his. The fact Pavlik lost doesn't mean he's a bum or he was never any good. He was a terrific fighter and I hope he can be again, but as far as the excuses from him, his camp and his fans go, I think they should be dropped. He simply got beat by a better man on the night.

 

I think it just shows that even Pavlik team are not too sure about Pavlik. We are talking about someone who didnt fight since 1 year, he then got beaten bad and had alcool problem, etc. If Pavlik come back as the good old Pavlik, it will be a joke fight, but we just dont know.

About Martinez, he is classed no. 2 P4P, he is at his peak, you can agree or not, but lets not mix Martinez at this time and Pavlik.

 

Jack, I respectfully disagree. Sergio has just fought Williams twice as if once wasn't enough, the same Williams many of us fans wanted Pavlik to fight once at least, Cintron, a basketcase, but after beating Angulo proved a force at 154, Dzinziruk, a solid, 154 former champ known for his technical, no bs style, and your very own Pavlik, who was favored to beat Sergio who was a 154lber that was going up in weight to challenge a fighter in his domain where he had never been beaten before, where there should be no excuses because 160 is his strongest, unlike 170 where he fought Hopkins.

Those are 5 grueling fights where 3 of them Sergio was the underdog and expected to lose out of the 5. I think it's fair that Sergio gets a break at least to stay active until he gets a better fight. To ask more out of Sergio at the moment either is selfish or being a hater. If anything it's Kelly and not Sergio that needs to have a quality fight because it's Kelly that has more to prove, his career is in trouble. Kelly could of fought a Sturm or Zbik to regain some glory and his status, but I understand he can't make 160. So, that being said, he's testing the waters at 168 which is fine, even though he had already fought at 170 and proved disastrous, but it had more to do with who he was fighting than the weight. I just think many are acting like hypocrites finding it okay for Pavlik to fight a no namer like Lopez, but not okay for Sergio who had a grueling schedule to stay active with someone like Manfredo, who's not world class, but he's not exactly a bum either. That just sounds like a hypocrite to me.

 

do you know how stupid you sound. do you not read the facts..KELLY WENT INTO REHAB....give the guy a break.. it would sound better if you just didn't say anything at all.

 

How is this a joke fight?

Pavlik will be inactive for over a year and coming back from Rehab. Hes faving an undefeated fighter that spent most of his career at Lt.HW. This is a dangerous fight for Pavlik.

 

ahhh now i get it.. another hater

 

well said.. very well said..martinez was great in that fight, and there were problems with kelly getting down in weight, but at the end of the day martinez won that fight without a doubt..but i will have to say out of the two fights pavlik lost, he's upset on the martinez fights..i see a rematch in the future

 

No ****...very interesting.:yep

 

I would like to see it one day too, though I think Martinez would win again. That's was bothers me about the people who talk about how bad Pavlik was. It totally detracts from Martinez's win and that's unfair because it was clear before their fight he had an advantage stylistically. The excuses may be somewhat valid but Martinez would always beat Pavlik, I think.

There's no shame in that though. It's always going to be hard for someone as tall and rangey as Pavlik to match Martinez's speed. That's just the way boxing is. There doesn't need to be any excuses about it.