ALI vs ATGs at HEAVYWEIGHT

In the "Lennox's weight and reach would have troubled Ali,Frazier and Foreman" thread in the General,you actually mentioned Lewis' weaknesses as:"lazy in the ring,arrogant and a weak chin".You also have Foreman and Frazier both stopping Lewis,but Ali having trouble with him.Ali may have been knocked down a couple of times,but he was never knocked out,as Lewis was.

 

TOP 5 ATG HEAVYWEIGHT?????


LENNOX ****ING LEWIS IS A TOP 5 ATG HEAVYWEIGHT???



What the **** man?


EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC FAIL!!!!!!




Jesus Christ you surpassed my expectations of how dumb a human can be!



Lewis is LUCKY to make the Top 10.




1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Johnson
4. Holmes
5. Holyfield
6. Foreman
7. Dempsey
8. Tyson
9. Marciano
10. Frazier


Where exactly does Lennox fit in?

 

You forgot to mention Ali's workrate and stamina,things he had in abundance.:good

 

I wasn't laughing at his prediction of Lewis beating Ali....

I was laughing at the shitty topic.

 

Or the manner in which it was presented

 

That in particular.

 

Somewhere where you have put Johnson or Holyfield. Between 3 and 5. Ali and Louis are numbers 1 and 2, Holmes and Lennox are both some combination of 3, 4 or 5, and there are arguments for a few guys to fill the last top 5 spot depending on whether you value resume, longevity, dominance, H2H, how they looked on their best night etc.

But thanks for posting your ATG heavyweight list with Jack Johnson in the top 3, and claiming like you're some unchallengeable authority. This has served to remind me why I don't spend much time in the classic forum. How many Jack Johnson fights have you seen? And the guys he was fighting against, how many of THEIR fights have you seen that weren't against Johnson? I'll save you the trouble of answering. ****in' none of them. atsch

:hat

 

And as for Lewis' two KO losses (the only two defeats of his career) keeping him out of the top 10, I see that you have Jack Dempsey at number 7. This would be the same Jack Dempsey who was KOed in 1 by Jim Flynn, and who lost two decisions to 180-something pound Gene Tunney, and who never accepted a black boxer's challenge, and who defended his title seven times in six years? atsch

He's into the top 10 with room to spare, but Lennox Lewis isn't? Get the **** out of here. atsch

:hat

 

I know the story behind the fight. And I agree he laid a real beating on Ali with the bodyshots, especially in the fifth. But the fact is, he fought dumb. Ali made absolutely zero effort to stay off the ropes, and that should have made George or his trainer pause for a minute.

Hindsight is 20/20, but George displayed essentially zero ring intelligence. He could have been patient, picked his shots and done enough to win rounds while keeping energy in reserve.

He won several of the early rounds big, but that doesn't win you the fight. He wasn't expecting to need to fight smart and win a decision against a faded great, he expected to steamroll Ali and look awesome doing it. When five rounds of that plan had failed to produce a stoppage, he was out of gas and out of ideas one third of the way through the fight. So he plodded around the ring, following Ali from rope to rope, swinging the same punches with progressively less speed and power behind them. And then he got KOed. Guys like Lennox or Holmes are too smart to fall into traps like that.

:hat

 

That doesn't mean that Larry or Lewis would beat Ali,either.

 

Wow you are stupid.


Johnson beat:

Langford = better than anyone Lennox ever beat
Fitzsimmons = better than anyone Lennox ever beat
Jeffries = better than anyone Lennox ever beat
Ketchel = better than anyone Lennox ever beat
Burns
Jeanette
McVea
Flynn


Lennox beat 165 year old Holyfield and 257 year old Tyson - what an achievement!


OK, dude, seriously... do you HONESTLY think Lennox is greater than Johnson? Simple yes or no answer.

 

And what's wrong with Holyfield at #5?



Holyfield beat:


Tyson
Foreman
Holmes
Bowe
Moorer
Qawi
DeLeon
Mercer
etc


Beat more world champs than any Heavyweight in history.
Is a 2-division champ.
Had to rely on skill and heart to win (whereas Lennox won MANY of his fights because of a big size advantage. When there wasn't a size advantage, he got knocked the **** out).

 

I have to say as a branded old timer apologist, that Holyfield even then was better than the versions of those fighters that Johnson beat.

Not that I rate Lewis higher than Johnson of course.

 

It sure as **** doesn't mean that they can't win 1 fight out of 10 against Ali, or 2 fights, or four fights, or even perhaps six fights. Who the **** knows? That's why they make the fights, otherwise they'd just film everyone working the bags, have the weigh-ins, and get the judges to watch the film and decide who looks superior and award him the fight so nobody has to get hurt.

All I am saying is that Lennox is FAR too good a fighter to be dismissed so contemptuously. There is NOBODY who has EVER stepped into the ring who beats Lennox FOR CERTAIN, EVERY TIME OUT. Prime Ali included.

Yet that is EXACTLY what is being repeatedly claimed here, and this ultra-biased bull**** of sneering at anyone who even thinks there's a chance that Ali could POSSIBLY be defeated by Lennox is just a circle-jerk of mutally-reinforcing delusion, simple as that.

:hat