ALI vs ATGs at HEAVYWEIGHT

well for what its worth.. i think ali beats lewis.. but it would be very though for ali.. remember styles make fights.
lennox could box. had a good jab. a lot of power.
remember how difficult ali had it against norton..
if they fought 10 times i would give 3 of them to lennox to win..

 

Not if you only include heavyweight champions.

Which is utterly irrelevant when looking at his HW career and all-time ranking.

Holyfield won MANY of his fights because of a big chin advantage. Whenever he met someone who wasn't willing to stand and trade with him, he had problems. He fought the same way every time and never showed adaptability in his career. Lewis could be the cagey technician as he was for Tua, or the violent, aggressive bully as he was for Golota and Botha. Holyfield fought exactly the same way every time out.

What, like against Grant or Vitali? Get the **** out of here.

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I think Marciano and Louis would beat Ali 2 of 3. Dempsey and Frazier I have at even odds. Ali favored over the rest.

 

Prime Holy beats Lewis. Heck I thought old Holy won the second fight with Lewis anyways.

 

Lennox is a good boxer, but let's be honest- he's less proven in contests against mobile backfoot guys than Ali is. For a boxer to beat another just having bigger reach and good quality of punches and solid footwork isnt enough, you have to be able to exploit range, rhythm, better and i think ali is just better and more versatile at making openings than Lewis is. And I think Lennox would be the aggressor here too.

He's also losing in speed here.

 

So out of this list, we have ONE GUY who was a true heavyweight. And by today's standards, he's a small heavyweight. atsch

How many of these guys have you seen fight? None, you say? **** off. :good

Yeah, those guys, plus every other man he ever fought over a full decade of competing at the very top level of the sport. Including a stoppage win at age 37 over the next dominant champion, a man who was larger, stronger, fitter and half a decade younger.

Yes. And if you would take your head out of your ass you would realize that there is NO logical case for ranking Johnson over Lewis. You are completely blinded by your bias. You offer a handful of Johnson fights that you haven't even seen, against guys you haven't seen **** all footage of and who couldn't even compete in the same DIVISION as Lewis these days, as irrefutable proof that Johnson is CLEARLY superior to Lennox. Well, that's not proof, it's ludicrous to claim that it is. :-(

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There's footage of all of them.

 

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Here you go, here's footage of Lennox Lewis that conclusively proves he had an iron chin and could easily soak up the best shots of Tua, Tyson, Rahman, Briggs, Ruddock, Holyfield etc. And to extend that, the best shots of Foreman, Liston, Shavers and co as well. :good

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vs. Dempsey and Mariciano I see both fights playing out the same way. Ali's size and speed are going to be too much for either to handle. Both I think are tough enough to go the distance. Ali by 15 round decision winning at least 12 rounds.
vs. Louis. Ali dose very well in the early going. Ali for a heavyweight is not a great puncher and tends to go only for the head. As the fight progresses Louis is able to walk Ali down. I think Louis will be able to put Ali on his seat late in the fight on his way to a 15 round decision over Ali.
vs. Tyson. Patterson who when he fought Ali had seen better days was able to make contact with Ali. Fraizer was able to beat Ali in their first match and give him hell in the next two. Tyson is simmliar to Patterson and Fraizer. The biggest diffrance is that he's bigger stronger and faster. Tyson should be able to get to Ali's body and slow him down. Tyson by stoppage 10/12.
vs. Lewis. Ali's lack of compartive heavyweight power and his lack of body punching are going to do him in. Lewis who has the clear size advantage batters Ali around the ring for eight rounds before the fight is stopped. Lewis 8/12.
vs. Vitali. Vitali's bigest weakness is speed, and Ali has speed. I think if Ali's chin holds up he wins a close 12 round decision.

 

Problem with that is, in his entire career Tyson stopped ONE guy past the 6th round. Jose Ribalta. Every other fight he had, if he was behind after six rounds, he lost the fight by stoppage. Tyson was not a "beat them down and stop them late" guy like Vitali is. Tyson was a "destroy them early / fail to destroy them early and settle for an easy decision / fall behind in the early going and then lose by stoppage" type of guy. :good

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