Cleveland Williams vs Ingemar Johansson

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  1. yancey

    yancey Active Member Full Member

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    Primes.

    What happens?
     
  2. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Cleveland by early knockout. Johansson would be intimidated by Williams size, speed, and power and fold to a few of Williams' left hooks. I do not think Ingo matched up well with big punchers. Ingo nearly shat his pants when he fought big ed sanders in 53. After that, he made sure he didn't fight a big hulking fighter again.
     
  3. Ive got Cleveland Williams by KO. JUst too big and powerful, too much grit.
     
  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Ingo was so arrogant and confident in his own talent I doubt he would be intimidated by Cleveland Williams. If the fight took place in Europe Williams would be the one to panic he underperformed and disgraced himself in England with the jitters. refusing to fight until he had his lucky shorts against dick Richardson and was never asked back.

    Ingo beat bigger guys anyway hoff and neuhaus were giants and had been rated.

    since yancey says primes I go for ingo in his very short 58-59 peak and IMO would flatten the big cat in pretty short order. Ingo in 61 would lose I accept that.
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    weigand, nurnburg,hoff, neuhaus? even richardshon was 6'4.
     
  6. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i will go with williams to start fast and win by ko
     
  7. mcvey

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    I go for Williams by early ko.
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I am a little surprized at the number of people picking Williams.

    Sure Johansen could get starched, but he was a murderous puncher himself, and a little bit more proven.
     
  9. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Williams is up there with Tua and Ibeabuchi.
     
  10. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    :deal All three would be the bitches of Jimmy Young for sure.
     
  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    :deal:thumbsup..You beat me to it!!
     
  12. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    This. :thumbsup
     
  13. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    The Ingo of the Machen and 1st Patterson fights had a very good chance of stopping Williams.
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    It was at the 1952 Olympics, and really Johansson just kept away from him and didn't throw enough punches.
    Johansson was never one to throw many punches, but could end it with one well-timed counter right.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A21Mh46RURU[/ame]

    Besides, some people made a big deal Larry Holmes "cowardice" in an amateur fight against Duane Bobick.

    Johansson fought and beat some big hulking fighters as a pro.
     
  15. The Kurgan

    The Kurgan Boxing Junkie banned

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    Ingo by KO. Cleveland was dangerous, but while they were both big punchers I would give Ingo the edge in defensive skill, footwork, strategy and (narrowly) durability.

    Cleveland might have his moments; however, ultimately he would get hit too much and Ingo would finish him off.