ALI vs ATGs at HEAVYWEIGHT

You failed epicly. TWICE. You dumb ****.

The fact that Holyfield is a 2 division champ doesn't make a difference in all time rankings? Are you ****ing stupid??

And Lewis has an iron chin? Get the **** outta here..

 

I actually agree with Chancery that Lennox would win. Ali had so much trouble with Norton because he was big, rangey, could box, could punch, was physically stronger than Ali. Norton was probably a little harder to hit than Lewis, but aside from that I think Lennox would brush off Ali's jabs and probably manhandle him on the ropes. Yes, I think it's quite possible.

 

I think just the same as well, and for the same reasons. Lewis gets made fun of by all his detractors because he lost by two big one-punch KOs. Well guess what - both of those punches were beautiful power shots that landed perfectly and would have starched 90% of top level heavyweights. That's the only way Lennox ever lost in his career. And he easily avenged both defeats. (Rahman 2 in fact being one of his most impressive performances.) Anyone who didn't land that beautiful shot right on the button lost the fight.

Second part is, Ali doesn't have that kind of massive one-shot power that Rahman and McCall did. And aside from those two punches, and another one from Briggs that he recovered from, Lennox actually displayed a pretty solid chin through a long career of fighting power punchers. Look at the video - he got tagged plenty of times with no problems.

So here's Lennox's strategy. Stand far enough away from Ali that he can control the distance and therefore the pace of the fight. Be patient. Box off the jab from long range. Conserve energy. When Ali comes in close, grab him and manhandle him into the ropes where Lennox can use his superior size and strength to lean all over Ali and wear him down. As Ali slows down, start mixing in the powerful straight rights. It's a bad style matchup for Ali. And a prime Wlad is bad for him too, for similar reasons.

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Vitali is not an ATG. Far from it. Good fighter, perhaps even very good but not an atg.

 

In the HEAVYWEIGHT rankings?????????

OF COURSE HIS CRUISERWEIGHT CAMPAIGN DOESN'T MEAN **** ALL FOR HIS HEAVYWEIGHT RATING. HOW INVINCIBLE DO YOU THINK LEWIS, FOREMAN, TYSON WOULD LOOK IN THE CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION. atsch

Can't you detect the point I was making about judging fighters from bits and pieces of fights, as opposed to entire fights? Did that fly right over your head? Of course it did because you're ****ing stupid. atsch I think Lewis has a solid chin, not iron but CERTAINLY not glass either.

Here is a list of heavyweights who were knocked down or stopped on their feet as many or more times than Lewis in their careers.

G. Foreman (knocked down 3x, knocked out once)
M. Ali (knocked down 4x)
E. Holyfield (knocked down 5x)
M. Tyson (knocked out 3x)

Ali was hurt every bit as badly against Cooper as Lewis was against McCall. It was only the sheer luck of time left in the round, the fact that he got tangled in the ropes instead of hitting his head on the canvas, and some well-applied cheating from his trainer that saved Ali from being stopped by one punch. Make no mistake about it, if Cooper landed that exact same punch in the middle of the ring halfway through the round, Ali was done.

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Ali beats them all. Too adapable and skillful.

 

If you didn't realize how stupid you just looked... I'm not even going to bother arguing with you..


Do you know realize what you just said?


****ing idiot. Complete and utter ****ing ******.

 

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Wow, you sure destroyed me. Not going to bother arguing with me? When did you START to argue with me? :rofl

I'd respond to your points, but you haven't actually made any. Not a damned one. You've come up with a ridiculous list, completely failed to address a single one of my arguments, and then repeated that I'm an idiot over and over instead of coming up with any kind of argument.

Here's a question for you. When discussing HEAVYWEIGHT rankings, why should Holyfield's CRUISERWEIGHT campaign be taken into account or given any relevance at all? Just start with that eh?

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**** you are seriously on another level of stupidity.


HOLYFIELD's CRUISERWEIGHT CAMPAIGN IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT FOR ALL-TIME RANKINGS.

I never said it's taken into account for Heavyweight rankings... you dumb ****.


Anyway... Holyfield is greater on the ALL-TIME LIST (not just Heavyweight).


Let me show you why:


WORLD CHAMPIONS BEATEN:

Evander Holyfield: (20)

Francois Botha
Lou Savarese
Hasim Rahman
John Ruiz
Michael Moorer
Mike Tyson
Bobby Czyz
Ray Mercer
Riddick Bowe
Larry Holmes
George Foreman
Bert Cooper
James Buster Douglas
Carlos DeLeon
Dwight Qawi
Michael Dokes
Pinklon Thomas
Ossie Ocasio
Ricky Parkey
Tyrone Booze



Lennox Lewis: (14)

Vitali Klitscko
Mike Tyson
Hasim Rahman
Evander Holyfield
Ray Mercer
Oliver McCall
Tony Tucker
Frank Bruno
Donovan Ruddock
Mike Weaver
Ossie Ocasio
Henry Akinwande
Shannon Briggs
Tommy Morrison


6 more world champs than Lewis.


...among many othe reasons.

 

I think Ali, in his prime, would have absolutely schooled Lennox Lewis.
But Lewis is crazy overrated round here.

 

So, you make a list of your top 10 heavyweight rankings, and to justify Holyfield being at number 5, you list his best cruiserweight wins in with the heavyweight fights. So you listed them, but you never took them into account when making the list? atsch

Who the **** is talking about an all-time pound for pound list? When did the discussion move from heavyweights to catchall pound for pound? Answer, it didn't. YOU came up wth a RIDICULOUS heavyweight all-time list. You have Holyfield at #5 and to help his case for being that high you list his best CRUISERWEIGHT wins, in a list of HEAVYWEIGHT fighters. Irrelevant. Understand? Wins over DeLeon and Qawi mean NOTHING in a list of HEAVYWEIGHT champions. Okay? When you make a list of the greatest light-heavyweight champions, Roy Jone's SMW win over James Toney does not factor into the discussion.

And your moronic "beat more world champions" list is no indication at all about who is better. Do you class a win over cruiserweight Tyrone "22-12-2" Booze as being more impressive than Lennox's world title shutout of David Tua? atsch

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If you can show me where I jutify his 5th-place ranking because of his Cruiserweight wins I'll be impressed.

That's becasue I DIDN'T... dumb ****.



And I brought the pound-for-pound into the discussion because you OBVIOUSLY think Lewis ranks higher on the p4p list? Am I not right?


Counter the argument instead of worming your way around it (which shows you have just been beaten in this argument).




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - YOU SAY BEATING MORE WORLD CHAMPIONS IS NOT AN INDICATION OF WHO IS BETTER???!?!?


What a ****ing ******!!!!


In this era of boxing (80s to present), yes it is actually (especialy with all these belts). I know there have been some **** champions coz of the belts, but you have to beat more world champs in this era to be great. Sugar Ray Robinson and fighters before him didn't have to beat that many champs to be great because in that time it was often the case that great fighters were champs (ala Langford, Wills, Burley etc)


Why, is it moer important to face non world champions???


Idiot...


So what you're saying is....


Fighter A beat 80 world champs and Fighter B beat no world champs but Fighter B is greater anyway.



Get a ****ing life and learn about boxing...***.

 

D.T. really has some self-esteem issues.

 

Who would you rather beat:

Old George Foreman
Riddick Bowe
Mike Tyson
Old Larry Holmes
Michael Moorer


OR

Vitali Klitschko
Old Holyfield
Old Tyson
David Tua
Morisson

 

bodhi


Don't get me started with your dumb ass.

On the one thread you proved that your intelligence is undoubtedly sub-human.


No offense, of course