ALI vs ATGs at HEAVYWEIGHT

With you on this,bodhi

 

Thanks for proving my point, sweetheart. :smooch

 

OMG

I actually agree with something bodhi said.

Vitali is not an ATG.

 

Pleasure ****face.

 

Honestly?

I'd rather go 5-0-1 (and essentially 6-0) against Lewis' comp than 6-3 against Holyfield's. And two of those six wins were against over-40 year olds.

I don't know where all this hero worship for winning one fight against Bowe comes from. Bowe never did **** in his career except get brutally beaten down by Golota twice, dump the heavyweight title rather than face Lennox, and beat Holyfield two out of three with a stoppage win included.

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Oh yeah.. that was a prime, in shape Bowe against Golota.... dumb ****.


Bowe was better than Morisson and Tua.


Put it this way... would Holyfield have Lennox's record agains the guys Lennox fought and would Lennox have the record Holyfield does against the guys Holyfield fought?



Answer this question - who fought and beat the better competition?

 

What a stupid, hostile, bitter-sounding piece of work you are. :-(

That's becasue I DIDN'T... dumb ****.[/quote]

You provided your list of the top 10 ATG heavyweights. HEAVYWEIGHTS. When I pointed out that Holyfield is too high, you justified his 5th place in the HEAVYWEIGHT list by saying:

There it is, right there. Qawi and DeLeon to bulk up his resume. 2 division champ cited to push him higher. And "beat more world champs than any Heavyweight", yeah no ****. He fought in the alphabet era, he got, what? Six, seven title shots? And he had two divisions to beat beltholders in, instead of one like his competition did. atsch

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No I don't ****ing think that as a matter of fact, I don't include heavyweights in pound for pound consideration because they are basically the only group of fighters who do not have the option to challenge themselves by moving divisions.

Holyfield was a great cruiserweight champion. Lewis was a better heavyweight champion. More dominant, fewer losses and he beat Holyfield head to head, like it or not. If you're going to call Holy "ancient" and mock Lewis' achievement in beating a "165 year old" Evander, how much credit do you give to Lennox for getting into the ring AT THE SAME AGE and beating Vitali the bigger, stronger, fitter, younger heir apparent? What's that? He gets **** all credit from you for that? Why, how could that possibly be? :huhatsch

What argument? You don't even know if you're making a case for Holyfield head to head or just arguing Holyfield as a heavy. atsch

One word answer.

Which is a better win - 10-3-2 Tyrone Booze in an cruiserweight 8 rounder in Virgina, or 37-1 David Tua in a heavyweight title fight in Vegas?

Booze, or Tua? Which is the better win? :blood

Does this count as one of your arguments? Should I counter this, or would dismissing it count as "worming my way out of it"? atsch

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Eight months before his first fight with Golota, Bowe was good enough to KNOCK OUT 33 YEAR OLD EVANDER HOLYFIELD. In his VERY NEXT FIGHT, now 28 year old Bowe is shot and useless? Biased much? atsch

I don't see Lewis getting outpointed over 12 rounds by Moorer or Ruiz. And I don't see 37 year old Holyfield doing much of **** all against Vitali.

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Why the **** are you comparing Booze and Tua?


You had a little cry over my inclusion of Holy's Cruiserweight wins in the Heavyweight ranks... but then you compare the WORST champ Holy beat to ONE OF THE BEST Lennox beat?


Bias? Yes I think so.


WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT... Bowe was NOT in his prime against Golota.



And what's with the ponting out of the ages of Foreman, Holmes etc.


Just so you know... that 42 YEAR OLD Foreman was actually actually went on to become Heavyweight champion once again.

Was your boy Tua able to do that at any point in his career?



As I thought...

 

MAN, you're stupid.

You tried to boost Holy's credentials by listing all the "world champions" he beat. You were very smug that there were SIX more names on Holyfield's list than Lewis'.

One of those names was Booze. When Holyfield beat 10-3-2 Booze in an eight round fight in Virginia, you count that as a win over a "world champion". :rofl

David Tua NEVER won a championship belt. According to your bull**** list of how many "world champions" each guy beat, the David Tua fight might as well not have happened. So I ask you flat out - which is the better victory? Are you going to tell me it's Booze? Or are you going to tell me that your list of whoever beat the most "world champions" doesn't actually count for ****?

Okay, then a non-prime 28 year old Bowe beat the **** out of Holyfield and stopped him. And then eight months later, in his next fight, he was shot. Then when he trained the house down for the rematch after Golota handed him the reality check, guess what? The exact same result happened.

You give Lewis no credit for beating the 37 year old, reigning world champion Holyfield, but you give Holyfield credit for beating the 42 year old Holmes. atsch

Yeah. By beating Michael Moorer. Want to remind me of what Moorer did at heavyweight, aside from getting KOed by old-ass Foreman, getting KOed in 30 seconds by David Tua, and outpointing prime Evander Holyfield?

No. He might have, if he had gotten more than one title shot in his entire career. Give him six or seven cracks at it against five or so different beltholders, and yeah, I'm quite confident he would have picked up a strap. He sure as hell beat a few guys who did just that. TWO guys with twelve-round victories over Evander Holyfield failed to last one minute between them against David Tua.

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Amen..Done deal..Nothing else to say.

 

I give Lennox as much credit for beating Holyfield as I give to Holyfield for beating Holmes... dumbass.


Oh and by the way.... Golota had 2 attempts to beat Bowe... and failed both times.

 

If the first 4 on your list here are better than anyone Lewis ever beat, then how come they arent in your top 10 and Holyfield and Tyson are?

Just asking

 

You lie again. More lies. atsch

So there's Holmes included as one of Holy's top 5 wins.

There he is again, one of Holy's best heavyweight wins according to you. 42 year old Holmes.

And now...... are you ready?

42 year old Holmes is listed more than once by you as a top 5 win for Holyfield, but Lennox beating 37 year old heavyweight champion of the world Evander Holyfield = a sarcastic "what an achievement" because Holy was "165 years old." atsch

Tell me again that you give Lennox as much credit for beating reigning world champion Holy as you give Holy for beating the FIVE YEARS OLDER Holmes? atsch

Yeah, what glorious triumphs both of them were for Bowe as well. Yep, he sure showed us that he was better than Golota alright. :rofl

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He's too stupid even to realize that he is calling these middleweights who he has never seen a single complete fight of superior to Holyfield himself. Lewis beat Holyfield remember? But those guys are better than anyone Lewis ever beat..... so........ atsch :-(

And he won't explain why the multiple-losses, black-fighter-avoiding, seven-defences-in-six-years Dempsey makes it into the top 10 with EASE, but Lennox doesn't. atsch

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