Toronto Sun: Haye's credentials as a heavyweight champ could hardly be phonier

Time span between his first and last HW fight to date: I year, 363 days.

Total fights at HW: 4

Youngest HW opponent: 36
Oldest HW opponent: 39
Average HW opponent: 38

Best HW win: MD over SNV.



A lock for the Hall of Fame.

 

People can mock Haye now, but he'll go down as the best fighter Wlad has fought, win or lose. Wlad hasn't fought anyone with Haye's technical ability combined with his physical tools - Not even close.

So if Wlad wins, this guy his fans talk about like a bum and discredit his fights will go down as his most impressive win. If you weren't such twats, you'd realize that by slagging Haye off now, it only hurts Wlad, win or lose. If he wins, he beat a guy whose best win was an MD over Valuev, wasn't the true WBA champion, beat old men and bums, and had a glass jaw. Assuming Haye beats Wlad, your man will have lost to a guy who scraped past Valuev, never won a true title before Wlad, was unproven, only fought past it fighters and guys like Harrison...and on top of that, a jab from any decent heavyweight would knock him out!

Morons.

 

So you judge everything off how you want your own choice to come out looking instead of objective criteria? Okay.......

Sorry, I just can't bring myself to big up Haye. If he proves me wrong, then he proves me wrong. I just don't think he will. I think he does his best Eddie Chambers imitation like he did against Valuev but an even more fleet footed and even less willing to engage. He isn't going to change. Vlad is big and much better than Valuev so he pretty much has to do a Chambers to survive, and after a couple of Wlad's punches, that is all he is going to be concerned about making it out in one piece and claiming he was robbed because his masterful ring generalship should have carried the day and his fans will buy it just like they bought Haye/Oddly.

 

Haye ran from Valouev, he threw very, very few punches. Former World Champion Jim Watt was rooting for Haye, but he said that Haye could not win the fight unless he threw some punches. Jim Watt had Valouev winning the fight because Haye did nothing but run. WBA took the title away from Chagaev, that Chagaev won in the ring, gave it to Valouev so as to give Haye a gift decision, that's what it so appears to be.............will WBA take title away from Vlad after Vlad knocks Haye out, or will the WBA make Haye a super champion, then give title to someone else? Would not surprise me at all. This crap needs to stop.............but who will stop the ciminal orgs.?

 

The only real mandatory was Chagaev and Haye is ducking him.

 

Very true, Haye is ducking Chagaev..................

 

It won't be his most impressive win, only Haye fans and people that buy into the hype believe that. But after a couple of years, it will be seen exactly like Calzaghe's win over Lacy.
I don't care if it "hurts" Wlad's legacy by burning Haye down to the ground, because that man has done enough already to cement his place in the history books. Who cares if he doesn't go down as the greatest of all time, he wouldn't anyway (he's not even American ).
Your discription of Haye in this post is actually very accurate, and I hope you actually realized that long before you just typed that down.

If Wlad somehow loses this fight (or even struggles), it will look pretty bad. Because he then lost from an unproven HW and the state of the division is even far worse as anyone realized. But that's true about a lot of Wlad's fights and in sooo many boxing matches before that.

If you look at the numbers Haye is nothing more as a bigmouthed hypejob, and you can quote me on that anytime you like. :good

 

The rest of your post is pretty similar, so I'll just highlight this:

If that is the case, who is Wlad's most impressive win? Which fighter than he has beaten, has better technical and physical ability than Haye does?

Chris Byrd was probably the best fighter Wlad has fought but there are obvious questions over him. During his peak, it's very likely that he could have been a cruiserweight but then there's a glaring question: Was he ever that good? He only managed to draw with Golota, he put in a poor showing against McCline, he was knocked out by Ibeabuchi. The only thing impressive on his record, is a win over Tua and ancient Holyfield. Hardly greatness. Technically, I don't think he was that good. Physically, he was about as light a hitter as you'll ever see in the elite levels of heavyweight division.

I'd say Haye is both technically better and physically far better. He's faster, more agile, better footwork and hits a lot harder.

Who else is there? Chagaev, who was ill and couldn't fight in several different countries? No way was he in his prime. Ibragimov? Peter?

These guys just simply aren't as good as Haye. Resumes are only proof of how good a fighter is, they aren't what defines a fighters abilities. Even if Haye's record was as poor as you think, he's a better fighter than his record suggests.

 

:rofl:rofl what a *******, ducking this legend in favour of the easy option. At first I could understand the hatred but this is just ****ing stupid.

 

Faster and more agile than Chris Byrd? While Byrds punches couldn't knock the skin off custard, you are fooling yourself if you're going to claim Haye is more agile. If you want to add in that Byrds chin was almost certainly superior to Hayes feel free.
Haye hit a LOT harder than Byrd...and that's about it!!!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE4sTNx1IdU[/ame]

 

The names you mentioned are exactly who I think are actually better as Haye.
Peter (from the first fight), Eddie, Byrd, and certainly Tony Thompson.
Also Brock and (yes really) Chagaev, who wasn't as ill as you said. He was tested for the fight and his Hep B levels were very low.

Haye might have speed and a hard punch, but technically he's very limited. And his defence sucks carrots. I really think this guy isn't even half as good as people give him credit for. Until now he was never impressive when he fought a decent opponent wasn't "taylor made" for him (beïng ko'd early by others before).

I think Haye would have been "just another opponent" if he fought Wlad when the fight was first signed, and now he took the easy route around he became another "Lacy" like I mentioned before.

 

the TORONTO sun?

whos their best heavyweight again?

 

Partizan post alert.