How much credit to you give Maxim for his win over Robinson?

Quite a bit of credit.

He was outclassed but he persevered and hung toughed. He was standing, and the GOAT was not.

Thats tremendously impressive.

 

I understand it was hot real hot that night and they had to replace the ref with a sub.
Part of any sport boxing included is being prepared. Maxim may have been losing on the score cards but he was prepared for the heat.
I have the felling that had Maxim won every round and Robinson won due to Maxim subcoming to the heat. People would be talking about how Robinson won because he was in better shape and not give Maxim credit for winning all the rounds.
Maxim deserves full credit for this win.

 

They both had to deal with the same heat. Maxim deserves credit.

 

maxim deserves tons of credit in terrible heat he was getting beat but he stayed in there gutted it out and got a win

 

Joe Leibling ,and Bill Heinz ,both great boxing scribes, were there, they said Ray was winning it handily ,so handily that in the latter stages , he started to show boat . Ray also used far more energy up than Joey, with his unnecessary movement , Maxim ,basically claimed the ring centre ,and sand bagged Ray's ribs when he got the chance.
If the fight was in the winter Ray wins.imo.
Robinson was really ill after this fight he had blood blisters all over him and was in bed for a week.
It's a win for Maxim you make of it what you will.

 

Theoreticaly the heat should have been more damaging to Maxim as the bigger man. Smaller mes disipate heat more quickly and are less prone to heat exaustion.

Credit where it is due.

 

Bull****, a smaller man always needs to use more energy than a bigger man to keep himself in the fight, otherwise he just gets knocked out - whether moving, throwing more punches, etc - the smaller man tires quicker

This fight really is a Willard-Johnson situation and Robinson would have won handily in an air conditioned arena

 

How about credit for out boxing a great boxer like Maxim for 12 rds,a champion of a division above his own.

None of the judges gave Maxim more than 3 rds out of the 12.

Fought in winter time.or over 12 rds ,it might have been a different story.:think

Maxim leaned on Ray whenever he could, he was 15lbs heavier, and fought a smart fight, conserving energy.

" Fighting out of a crouch ,ignoring the weight handicap Robinson blazed through eleven " " He punched Maxim allmost at will, with left jabs ,to the head and body.In the third,seventh ,and eighth rounds ,Robinson jolted Maxim's head and he kept up a two fisted fire to the midsection "
James Dawson N Y Times.

 

That means he fought smart, wore him down, and stopped him.

 

Thats just the point though.

The weight disparity favours Maxim.

The heat favours Robinson.

Maxim is going to use his size whether it is hot or cold.

 

Which sequence of punches stopped him? I missed them.:huh

I think this was what stopped him .

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Didn't stop Maxim. He handled Mr. Temperature just fine.

Ray probably wins in winter, but they fought in summer, and he crashed before the finish line. Maxim was standing, thus, is the winner of the fight, and that cant be taken from him.

 

atsch No it doesn't because being smaller Robinson has to throw more punches to keep Maxim off him and to move more to stay away from Maxim. Both make you overheat and its pretty basic

 

I give Maxim full credit.
He was light-heavyweight champion and he defeated the challenge of one of the great middleweight champions.
I suppose it depends on how much credit you can give a man who has such a huge weight advantage. Maxim was actually a biggish light-heavyweight - he'd fought comfortably at 185 - and Robinson was a slim middle.
But Robinson was one of the greatest ever, so the win must be a good one for Maxim.

The excuses being thrown around about the heat are pathetic. Robinson-nuthuggers do the great man a disservice by emphasising it so strongly, and have even elaborated arguments as to how Robinson was fighting against the heat, and somehow the heat was fighting 'on Maxim's side'. !
The whole point is you have to fight the right fight in the situation you end up in.

Maxim was a very good fighter, there's no mystery. He fought some of the best 175-pounders ever, and went the distance, beat some very good 175-ers and heavyweights too. He was extremely durable, and a skillful boxer.
He was a step too far for Robinson, whose record against 175-pounders is slight.