Stamina and chin as functions of technique

This is a good thread Bokaj

 

Duran had a great chin but he didnt get hit as hard or clean as it sometimes seemed.. He use to roll with his shots and take alot off of them.

James Toney is another great chin, but i think at Heavy his chin is a little overrated i just think he really dont get hit clean, although some might think he has gotten tagged.

 

yeah, that'd happen rarely.

this is why we can't say that paul williams is 'glass jawed', he almost ran into that martinez shot!

 

Unless your name is Marvin Hagler - then you actually start fighting more aggressively

IMO 'chin' is the physical ability to take a flush shot. Punch resistance is how hard you are to KO from landed punches, and is made up of chin and technique (e.g. slipping, rolling to reduce the impact, staying relaxed). And defense is how hard you are to hit in the first place. Someone like Roy Jones Jr wasn't stopped in his prime, but not because of great punch resistance, just great defense. Guys like Toney had good chins, but not exactly on the McCall/Chuvalo level, because we never saw Toney get whacked repeatedly by huge punches flush to the jaw and stay standing.

So strictly speaking, we can never know how good someone's chin is, unless they have been hit repeatedly with flush shots from huge punchers. Since most good fighters try to avoid that, we can't truly know how good someone's chin is in most cases. Was Robinson's chin truly great, or was he just decent, with good reflexes and technique that allowed him to avoid the worst of it? Since he never stuck his jaw out like Mayorga, we can't be sure.

I agree Lewis had a good chin. The Rahman KO was after repeated flush shots, and stupidly laughing hands down and turning away instead of protecting himself. The McCall KO was a genuine one-shot knockdown, but a premature stoppage where Lewis was on his feet before the 10 count.

 

100% AGREED Xpert m8 :deal

Only Ali, Holyfield And Old George would of not been taken out by them Mega-Haymakers, it a fact.

Bowe, Tyson, Holmes ETC would of got KTFO cold by them punches if they caught on teh button by Haymakers like that by Rahman And McCall, FACT. :deal


Foreman Hoooooooooooooook!:smoke

 

Relaxation is key to stamina IMO

 

this is why i think tyson had a mad chin.

 

Yeh, it also helps with pacing yourself, as if you are relaxed you tend to allow yourself to set the pace rather than try to match or beat your opponents.

You see a novice go under pressure they either fold or up their own pace, you see an experienced guy get pressured he keeps calm and weathers the storm.