Battle of the Lightweights: All in.

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  1. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    6 of the greatest , if not the greatest , lightweight fighters of all time pitted against each other.

    Ok so each fighter will fight every other fighter.
    Who comes out with the most wins?
    Does anyone loose all their fights?
    Anyone win all their fights?


    Benny Leonard
    Roberto Duran
    Tony Canzoneri
    Pernell Whitaker
    Ike Williams
    Joe Gans

    :bbb
     
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  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Interesting thread, I would like to see it get the input it deserves .
    My ATG list would be
    Leonard
    Gans
    Williams
    Duran
    In this context lets have some posters giving their opinions.
     
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  3. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    M, just as I would have it ! Benny Leonard by all accounts of observers who had seen him in his prime, raved about his great all-around abilities,ruling over the best contenders in lightweight history for SEVEN years. It was said
    Leonard ,held back from koing many of his top opponents, so he could get lucrative rematches with them. I rate him ,as Ray Arcel did, the lightweight
    equivalent of the Welterweight Ray Robinson. "A perfect fighter ".
     
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  4. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who comes out with the most wins?
    Benny Leonard in my opinion, he was the most complete of the bunch........Duran would be tough because he was too powerful and big for Whitaker and Canzoneri....
     
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  5. DonBoxer

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    Well my opinion on it is that Benny is the greatest of the 6. Thats not in debate for me.
    H2H i think Benny , Duran and Pea are the best 3 but not sure any of the 6 would come out with 5 wins.

    Benny vs Pea/Duran would be very interesting fights. I would say that although Leonard has the superior boxing skills and ring IQ that Pea and Duran have greater physical attributes with them being more athletic.
     
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  6. lufcrazy

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    Hard to envision anyone getting close to a prime whittaker, but would he be throw enough to win over 15 rounds?

    Duran has a great shout because he's relentless.

    I'd love to comment on benny but i'm not qualified.
     
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  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    No1 wins every fight imo. They're too close.
     
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  8. D.T

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    Benny Leonard
    Roberto Duran
    Tony Canzoneri
    Pernell Whitaker
    Ike Williams
    Joe Gans



    Leonard vs Gans = Leonard
    Leonard vs Duran = Duran
    Leonard vs Canzoneri = Leonard
    Leonard vs Whitaker = Whitaker
    Leonard vs Williams = Williams

    2 wins


    Duran vs Gans = Duran
    Duran vs Leonard = Duran
    Duran vs Whitaker = Whitaker
    Duran vs Williams = Williams
    Duran vs Canzoneri = Duran

    3 wins



    Gans vs Williams = Williams
    Gans vs Canzoneri = Gans
    Gans vs Duran = Duran
    Gans vs Whitaker = Whitaker
    Gans vs Leonard = Leonard

    1 win


    Williams vs Gans = Gans
    Williams vs Duran = Duran
    Williams vs Leonard = Williams
    Williams vs Whitaker = Whitaker
    Williams vs Canzoneri = Williams


    2 wins


    Canzoneri vs Williams = Williams
    Canzoneri vs Duran = Duran
    Canzoneri vs Gans = Gans
    Canzoneri vs Whitaker = Whitaker
    Canzoneri vs Leonard = Leonard

    0 wins


    Whitaker vs Duran = Whitaker
    Whitaker vs Williams = Whitaker
    Whitaker vs Canzoneri = Whitaker
    Whitaker vs Leonard = Whitaker
    Whitaker vs Gans = Whitaker

    5 wins



    Therefore, Whitaker has the most as if therefore the best H2H.


    However, if we had to rank them on an ATG Lightweight list...


    1. Gans
    2. Duran
    3. Leonard
    4. Williams
    5. Whitaker
    6. Canzoneri
     
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  9. DonBoxer

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  10. Liechhardt

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    Duran,
    Leonard,
    Whitaker,
    Gans,
    Canzoneri,
    Williams, all to 30 p4p all time.
     
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  11. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    Its a very talent rich division.
     
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  12. Bummy Davis

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    Leonard and Duran are tops
     
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  13. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    Who got winning if those two faced each other?
     
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  14. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Armstrong would beat them all
     
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  15. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    You seem very confident about that.
     
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