pin point precision and speed vs power

It happens all the time

 

Yeah happens all the time that's why you have to see how these fighters do against savvy veterans. As I always say power doesn't mean **** if you can't land it.
I remember they were building Diego Corrales up to be this monster that was going to walk right through Mayweather Jr.
A fighter like Tyson had the skills and speed to add that dimension to his game whereas it became pretty obvious a guy like David Tua didn't. He was going to have to keep coming and wear his opponent out because his arsenal was too predictable. Once he took his relentless pressure out of the equation he became a very ordinary fighter with power.

 

Louis-Baer

 

Another example would have been that Limon--Camacho fight. I was a big Limon fan and the rarest of breeds in the sport--southpaw brawler and slugger.

Limon would give you what he had but threw punches you only saw in a Rocky movie, like 3 uppercuts in a row from way on the outside. Tough as nails and had to be because he was going to get beat to the punch. He gave new meaning to the term wide open.

Camacho hasn't stood the test of time all that well, but the guy at 130 when he was young and on the rise was something. Man, did that guy have fast hands and could he ever throw flurries and combos. Minimal power, but precise. But some folks were thinking the big hitter was going to get rid of the peashooter and test the untested chin. But those pinpoint shots were far more effective and I thought it was borderline stupid to sign a contract to defend against those reflexes of Camacho at the time. Then again, that was Limon, anyone anywhere.

 

Oh, here's another one and a heavy you don't hear mentioned anymore. Duncan Dokiwari.

Remember him? He had that big physique and those early ko's and people were starting to buy into him. He had a real good amateur pedigree and was definately on the radar screen. He lost to somebody I can't recall and then had a match with Guinn. Guinn sharp shot him and he was the guy that sprang forward in his career. Watching the bout, the big hitter sure didn't look like much once that aspect of his game was nuetralized.

 

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Jose Napoles vs Carlos Hernandez.

 

Yes Dokiwari looked the part. I liked him, but he really wasnt that good. Supposedly he was lazy and lacked heart in the gym, but he did look the part. I think he fooled quite a bit of trainers because he showed some things, but he couldnt carry them out as a pro.

 

It may have been Oquendo that gave him that initial defeat. And Fres was supposed to have been the guy being fed to the lion. Then again, that sums up the Oquendo career when you get right down to it. Never the favorite and brought in to lose and usually always gave a good account of himself even in defeat and had that oddball style to solve.

He was pretty much the first guy Duncan fought with some tools but the thought was Dokiwari would just overpower him, like he had the 3rd tier guys he'd fought previously. The loss to Guinn was a real career killer though and it's just so hard to come back from early losses that expose fatal flaws and rebuild the engine again.

 

I remember Don Turner saying Dokiwari was better than Ibeabuchi. I just laughed at that one.

 

Young vs Lyle II.

 

Oquendo scrambled power punching Ettiene's brains with pin point shots. Same Oquendo that went the distance and beat Lamon Brewster.

 

Yep.

I always thought of him as a Renaldo Snipes guy. Always thrown in tough fights and he did win a few of them he was not supposed to. And he had that oddball style to solve & some guys never did solve him. Big heart & a real competitor.

You know, that was the big thing w/ that Dokiwari fight. What you see for the punchers is face first easy to hit opposition. Even better is face first with a history of being stopped. What you seldom see are guys with like 15 or 20 rounds going into a 10 rounder against an opponent they have to solve. They do so much better with guys standing in front of them. A heavyweight asked to solve a guy?

They took a risk and it backfired. What I don't get is they pretty much do the same thing with a Guinn. They must've thought Duncan would break them down and create his openings and finish them. You'd think as a barometer they'd bring a Larry Donald type for sparring and see how he copes with moving targets with whiskers. And if he does not cope well, avoid that style for awhile. Some guys avoid southpaws, some avoid counterpunchers, some avoid big punchers, etc.

I guess I'm thinking Dokiwari should've avoided lots of styles and just slowly season him to have any hope. Ultimately though it just prolongs things.

 

Good summary :good