How much credit to you give Maxim for his win over Robinson?

The humidity at the Robinson Maxim fight was unreal , no way can Reno 1910 compare, but, before you start jumping to conclusions, I have never claimed Jeffries was THE Jeffries. He was a diminished version of the fighter he had once been ,I think Johnson beats Jeffries prime for prime but I would be a fool to say that the fight would not be a titanic struggle. Does that answer your question?

 

Well, in essense, concerning this fight...it was what it was....it was, due to the extreme temperature, an endurance test...and Maxim's conservative output was the smarter tactic than was SRR's high energy, more frenetic tactics with the high power punch output.

 

Yeah, I don't see why this is controversial. Robinson may well have won under almost any other conditions, but on the given night Maxim fought the right fight and Robinson fought the wrong one - hence the outcome.

 

Have you ever been to Nevada? I nearly passed out from the heat, each time i have been there. It is an effort to walk down the street. I know the media beats on about the NY fight, but honestly, i cannot imagine anywhere in new yorks city coming even close to the conditions in Nevada. That place is just unbelievable. At least it has been every time i have been there.

 

No never been to the States, maybe next year?

 

think that was bad? Imagine what Nelson-Gans must have been like. 40+ rounds in the hot sun during the summer? Awful.

 

And to think that a couple years after that, Nelson went 17 and 21 rounds with Gans again, and then had that brutal 40 round war with Wolgast within an 18 month time span. Now that's a fighter who lives up to their name. :!:

 

Okay, if Nevada is anything like it has been when i have been there, i would be surprised if you dont bump this thread and admit yeah, it must have been ****ing torture when Johnson Jeffries fought.

 

You seem to be under the impression that I have a down on Jeffries.
If you look at the recent threads on him you will see I picked him to win in each case.
PS. Was the heat any worse for 35 year old Jeffries in Reno, than it was for 37 year old Johnson in Havana, where Willard described the 110 temperature as being , " hotter than hell",? Add to this the fact that Johnson was fighting a giant ,whereas Jeffries outweighed Johnson by 19lbs, further add the fact that Jeffries was fighting for under 45 minutes whereas Johnson was fighting for allmost 72 minutes,and winning the fight.

 

I have not been to cuba. But i would be stunned if it is was as hot as when i have been to Nevada. Anything is possible, but when you go to Nevada, you will know what i mean. I

I agree though with your point. I think that the heat in Cuba would have been much worse for Johnson (or at least as bad) as it was for Sugar Ray Robinson, and Johnson outboxed Willard who was a much bigger opponent for a much longer period than Ray did Joey. Yet if i was to suggest Johnson was a better pound for pound fighter than Robinson, i would be ridiculed. Dont get me thinking please. Johnson was a very good fighter.

 

I understand Nevada's heat is dry , I beleive it was the humidity coupled with the heat that beat Ray,apparently the humidity in Havana is bad too.
I've been in the Sahara , through North Africa, and Turkey in baking summer temperatures of over 120 but Thailand can be worse because of the humidity. You may find my new thread ,of interest, it gives accounts of Jeffries post Reno.

 

I wouldn't pretend the heat wasn't a factor.
But Maxim was obviously a major factor towards Robinson's demise too.
(Unless of course you think Robinson would have pedalled himself into a heat exhaustion against a weaker or less durable opponent. Or perhaps collapsed in that heat had he been merely walking in the park !)

 

Being facetious are we.
I am a fan of Maxim's he is an underated fighter , with a top chin, only kod once, so it was not realistic of Ray to go for the stoppage, but Ray, the ego maniac, had to be Ray.:bbb

 

No.
Just driving home the same point I've been making the whole thread.


Give Maxim credit. It wasn't just "the heat" that did Robinson in. It was the fight he was in, and the nature of opponent he was up against.

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