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PRIME Vitali vs PRIME Tyson ? WHO Wins?

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Jayhaych said: ↑

Is that it?? I was expecting you 2 last the distance...then again you are a Klitscho nuthugger so u wer bound to quit chris Byrd style just like Igor....I mean quitali...I mean vitali!!:hi:
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Actually my corner stopped the fight. When I saw the effort you put towards grammar and sentence structure. I immediately fell into seizure!

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Nosbor said: ↑

Actually my corner stopped the fight. When I saw the effort you put towards grammar and sentence structure. I immediately fell into seizure!
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Wise move by the corner! They do care about you after all......The last person to know when to stop fighting is the fighter himself.....e.g..Igor against Lennox.."Noooooooo! I must break you!! Igor fight on!! You vill lose!!" Hehehehe!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3st1k_lennox-lewis-v-vitali-klitschko-2-2_sport

12mins in

Igor " Nooooooo! Noooooo! You vill lose!! If he dies he dies!!! I must break you!!"

Jayhaych, Apr 15, 2011

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Gained said: ↑

every time someone mentions Prime Tyson within 1 round I have to step in and pop the bubble by refreshing the memories:

And although Tysons KOloss has been described as one of the most shocking upsets in modern sports history it was NOT a fluke: It was because Iron Mike Tyson was in reality Tiny Mike Tyson (510)

Lets check what happened when Tyson met
BETTER+TALLER (i.e. > 63)opponents:

First time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
·Mitch Green (65.0) > UD10
Second time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
·James Bonecrusher Smith (64.0) > UD10
Third time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
·Tony Tucker (65.0) > UD12
Fourth time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
·Buster Douglas (63.5) > Tyson gets KOed
Sixth time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
·Lennox Lewis (65.0) > Tyson gets KOed
Seventh time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
·Kevin McBride (66.0) > Tyson gets KOed

Now, what he achieved career-wise DESPITE his size is remarkable. But to claim that he would beat every opponent within 1 round (including modern heavyweights like ·vitali Klitschko) is simply ignorance of his CAREER FACTS.

The ONLY time Tyson scored a knockout against a taller+better opponent was against ·Lou Savarese (46-6). But that was some strange KO (Tyson was lucky he wasnt disqualified) and Savarese came from a loss after a 1-year-layoff. So its hardly a proof for Tyson, the Goliath-killer.

Lets also quote a trainer who has eyewitnessed both Tyson and Klitschko:

Question:
You have worked with a lot of world class fighters. Is Tyson the hardest puncher you have ever seen or should I say felt?

Freddie Roach:
Punch for punch I think Klitschko probably hits a little bit harder but Mikes much more explosive.

that was an extract from an Interview with Freddie Roach.

Tyson struggled with guys much worse than vitali, such as Bonecrusher Smith. If klit employed his hugging style he would have a chance of decisioning him. Tyson is smaller and weaker than Peter, and so klit would have an even easier time controlling him in the clinches. Tyson always had trouble with a god jab, even Larry Holmes, who was in the worst professional shape of his life (coming off a two year layoff with no warmup) gave him some trouble for a few rounds with the jab.

vitali also has probably the greatest chin in hw history!!.

Tyson was the product of careful matchmaking and a great hype machine; a man who was too reliant on intimidation for his success He never fought Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield in his prime or even a comebacking George Foreman. That tells you something Tyson was unproven in his prime.

Look at the cab drivers and crack wh*res Tyson was knocking out to get a title shot I mean what big name did he beat? A 38 year old Larry Holmes!?? A small and rusty Michael Spinks?! If people are gonna say Rocky Marciano knocked out a past-it Joe Louistake a long hard look at devastating Tysons early opponents.

Vitali was hard for LENNOX LEWIS to hit square due to his awkward lean back style. You have to figure Tyson with his short arms, short reach, and affinity for nailing people in the head would have trouble with Vitali's low guard and leaning back to avoid punches.

On offense Vitali is a monster, he has a decent jab, great right cross, and good upper cut.

Tyson liked to flurry and go to the body some and Vitali's style just doesn't fit for that kind of fight. Certain fighters gave Tyson hell, the tall fighters who can box, take a shot, and have the ability to win on points.

Tysonistas would like to believe that somehow at age 23 Mike's (referring to his prime and the douglas debacle)
skills quite suddenly declined to a shadow of what they'd been only months earlier, never to return.

The fact is that someone exploited all of the weaknesses that Tyson had in the ring and proved that Tyson was a good but limited heavyweight who could be dominated and KTFO.

Tyson was underprepared in Tokyo, but he was still the fighter he was a few months earlier in his fine KO of Williams.
He just had no answers for a big, tall heavyweight with an excellent stiff jab and top boxing abilities.

A prime Vitali would destroy Tyson
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Igor gets destroyed!! Hehehehe! You vill lose!! I must break you!!!!

And his bro Boris boxhead is gonna get starched against Haye.....
Boxhead" Daaaaavvveeeed Youuuu Beeeecchheeed Out against me and Igor my brodder!!"

Jayhaych, Apr 15, 2011

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p.Townend said: ↑

No way Vitali batter him,he might have good moments in the fight but if its a prime Tyson,Vitali is just too slow and clumsy.He would spend most of his time on the defensive.He has size and probably a power advantage but if he cant get anything to land which he would not against a young Tyson he cant win the fight.
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Tyson is by far the harder puncher, Vitali is an accumulation arm puncher, his power is average. He is considerably stronger and tall and awkward, Mike did not deal well with tall fighters who tied him up in the clinch. Which is what makes this an interesting fight.

Mike finds his range and lands combo's in the first 5 rounds he wins by TKO, if he gets smothered and doesn't get his shots off before then he loses by late stoppage.

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Jayhaych said: ↑

Igor gets destroyed!! Hehehehe! You vill lose!! I must break you!!!!

And his bro Boris boxhead is gonna get starched against Haye.....
Boxhead" Daaaaavvveeeed Youuuu Beeeecchheeed Out against me and Igor my brodder!!"
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Vitali and Wlad would be the most cerebral fighters Tyson has ever fought, maybe aside from Lennox...

No big name HW has had an easier route to WC, than Mike Tyson. He was a swarming bully. Lennox was to big for him, when he was 16, Big George(smaller than Vitali, Wlad and Lennox) was to big for him according to Cus.
He may be better P4P than Vitali(yeah right), but H2H, prime Vitali(Kirk-Corrie- Williams) would pummel Tyson into the ground

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Valane said: ↑

Tyson is by far the harder puncher, Vitali is an accumulation arm puncher, his power is average. He is considerably stronger and tall and awkward, Mike did not deal well with tall fighters who tied him up in the clinch. Which is what makes this an interesting fight.

Mike finds his range and lands combo's in the first 5 rounds he wins by TKO, if he gets smothered and doesn't get his shots off before then he loses by late stoppage.
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Prime Vitali was a harder puncher than prime Tyson. Vitali can still punch, but he prefers to outbox his opponent before he goes for the kill.

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Vitali and Wlad would be the most cerebral fighters Tyson has ever fought, maybe aside from Lennox...

No big name HW has had an easier route to WC, than Mike Tyson. He was a swarming bully. Lennox was to big for him, when he was 16, Big George(smaller than Vitali, Wlad and Lennox) was to big for him according to Cus.
He may be better P4P than Vitali(yeah right), but H2H, prime Vitali(Kirk-Corrie- Williams) would pummel Tyson into the ground
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Wlad isn't cerebral at all, he gets flustered and all logical thought goes out of the window.

George was all wrong for swarmers, Wlad and Lennox being taller than George isn't of great interest as their styles are completely different.

Prime Tyson v Lennox is 60-40

Tyson v Wlad is 80-20

Tyson v Vitali is 60-40

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PowerHoock said: ↑

Prime Vitali was a harder puncher than prime Tyson. Vitali can still punch, but he prefers to outbox his opponent before he goes for the kill.
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Vitali has always had average power. He is an accumulation arm puncher and always has been.

Tyson had one punch power.

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Wlad isn't cerebral at all, he gets flustered and all logical thought goes out of the window.

George was all wrong for swarmers, Wlad and Lennox being taller than George isn't of great interest as their styles are completely different.

Prime Tyson v Lennox is 60-40

Tyson v Wlad is 80-20

Tyson v Vitali is 60-40
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Tysons weakness was big fighters and good inside fighters who weren't affraid of him...

Vitali is a bullys nightmare, an awkvard counter puncher and very good boxer, who's stronger than Tyson physicly, mentally and has better stamina. On top of all that, he has an iron chin.

No way Tyson would have beaten a prime Vitali.

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Valane said: ↑

Vitali has always had average power. He is an accumulation arm puncher and always has been.

Tyson had one punch power.
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Yes as an arm puncher, he has average power, but Vitali throws straight punches aswell, and when he does, he's devestating.

He has a tendency of wearing down his opponents with arm punches, then finish them off with straight hand blows(ex. Sosnowski, Kirk, Sander)

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Vitali might have a steel jaw, but we'll never know because he never fought the best in his division, like Tua, Tyson, Wlad, Chagaev, Haye, Chambers, and others.

Those guys would have hit him on the chin. Vitali only fights guys who are too slow to hit him. His chin is untested. Period.

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Vitali might have a steel jaw, but we'll never know because he never fought the best in his division, like Tua, Tyson, Wlad, Chagaev, Haye, Chambers, and others.

Those guys would have hit him on the chin. Vitali only fights guys who are too slow to hit him. His chin is untested. Period.
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Ahem Lennox, Sanders, Hide, Briggs, Arreola, Samuel Peter:bbb

he was not even KDd

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cant believe tyson is winning the poll

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cant believe tyson is winning the poll
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I cant believe the sky is blue

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Buster Douglas.

That's all you need to know.
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I was gonna stay that, we we all know not only a prime but an older VK still has amzing power:deal

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