His stand-up is adapted on a per-diem basis against the various MMA styles he's matched up with. I don't think he'll ever be a supremely skilled technician as a boxer, but what he does against guys in MMA actually does involve some technique even if just seems like pecking and slapping. His kind of accuracy and workrate with his hands is basically unheard of in the sport (as is his admittedly limited ability to slip punches, by boxing standards) and it's enough to completely stymie everyone. He isn't a brilliant fighter but his cage IQ is high enough and it's seriously doubtful he'd apply the same methods against a boxer that he does in any MMA video of his that you watch.
He needs to stick to MMA. I'm not saying he's not a fighter, he obviously is with his MMA record, however.. this is boxing.
Naw...Not delusional at all. I just know that it's not that hard to transition from MMA to boxing or vice versa IF you are a natrual fighter and respect the what it takes to transition. I didn't say he would be something in boxing...I said he could be very good IF he commits and dedicates himself to the sweet scicenc. The hardest thing in boxing is having the mental fortitude to overcome trails and tribulations in the ring. And Diaz has plenty of that. Andre Ward spars with diaz and he's said Diaz is good and would be able to do well in boxing. That means a lot more than any random opinion here on ESB.
He's 1-0 in boxing already, and will improve to 2-0 if Vargas is the opponent. Of course, he'll quickly fall to 2-1 (with the loss by KO) if he lands a date with any of those other names he's calling out. :yep
Its gonna take a hell of a lot of work for him to challenge Martinez and Floyd, lets be honest, its never going to happen. Andre Ward is probably being nice to him, I've seen relatively new amateurs with better form than him.
It does, but Ward (who's the same size; Diaz competes at more or less the equivalent of super middleweight in MMA's version of "welterweight") would also obliterate him - even if Nick had 20 fights to season himself. Just completely different levels. Diaz can never, ever be elite in boxing. It's just too late a start for that, if he even had the talent for it. I do think he can win a few of these circus-act match-ups. Vargas, maybe some other big name on the slide...maybe several matches down the line even a Yusaf Mack or someone like that. That's about where he hits the ceiling, though. The **** about draining down and beating Mayweather at 156lbs is just..:rofl:rofl:rofl
If they fight, I am willing to do a lifetime bet with you that Vargas knocks this fool the **** out. :deal
Last I heard, Vargas has rededicated himself to boxing and has been training hard and working with Floyd Sr. I think Vargas plans on making an impact. He probably will take this fight very seriously. The last edition of the RING had a big article on Vargas.
I agree his career in boxing won't be what it was in MMA but financially it has to the potential to be life changing. IF...he's matched well and surrounds himself with the right people to take him from an MMA fighter to a boxer. The kid has the foundation...he has the drive and dedication to prepare like no one else. The kids conditioning is on level with guys like PAC or Floyd. Form and technique are very helpful for a lot of fighters but it's not the end all, be all. Look at Mayorga... HORRIBLE...>DEPLORABLE form with most of his shots but he knows how to fight. He's unorthodox as is Diaz. But Mayorga was able to win titles on numerous occassions being limited technically. And he's not the only one.
I never said he'd be an Elite...I'm just saying he has the potential to do well and have a very good career. Having a late start in boxing most of the time means you wn't have a career. But there are times where that mold is broken....case in point.... Sergio Martinez. And Diaz has a long history of a combat background which does help a lot. I'm interested to see what his "upside potenital" is. If he goes in there with the wrong opponent that will derail the potential he has to have a decent boxing career. he needs to do the same thing that most fighters do....Get the right fights and progressively move up while working on prefecting their craft along the way.
Why do you like him? he's a complete *******! Granted the guy getting jumped here shouldn't have been asking for a rematch like that but the entire team jumping him and kicking him while he was down? and yas Nick Diaz was the first one to do it, he's a ****ing disgrace. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkuyFw9Zzq4&feature=related[/ame]
Mayorga is not necessarily limited technically. It's just that his style, considering his toughness and ability to take punches, can be very difficult for a traditional boxer. There is actually a method to his attack though even if he looks like he doesn't know what he's doing.
My whole thing is, the Vargas that lost to Mayorga would have trouble with Diaz IMO. It seems very unlikely to me that we're going to see a better Vargas than that version after so many years of rust and so much weight gain. IF Vargas somehow comes in tip-top shape and dials back the clock to perform up to pre-Mayorga standards (even as well as the SSM losses) then yes he beats Diaz. Because of that slim possibility, which is an unknowable variable until fight night if and when it comes - it wouldn't really be worth a lifetime bet of any kind for me. All I've been saying is that Diaz > the Mayorga version of Vargas (or an inferior one, which is my expectation for what we'd see here). If it's a better version of Vargas than that, it changes everything.