So apparently Pacquiao's easy to hit...

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  1. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    all i showed is that Pac did not take that uppercut clean on the chin nor the temple, so in some way he defended against it. And his hand is up there, tucked against his chin... which is a good thing. You can see that for yourself on the photo. Pac's head is turned, and the punch does not land on his chin. But I guess in your eyes, that doesn't matter?
     
  2. PH|LLA

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    as for straght right hands, Clottey throws almost 20 of them in that video that you posted, yet only 2 of them are clean, effective shots. Yet I say he defends pretty well against most of them and somehow I'm the one who's biased. So what are you watching?

    Does he defend as well against the straight right as the left hook or the jab? of course not. Is he open to being hit with right hands... not really. Definately not easily.
     
  3. PH|LLA

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    every part of Pac's game is underrated by certain posters such as yourself. Most people recognize his ability but just don't care to debate it as much as I do.
     
  4. Gander Tasco

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    Pac tends to get hit the most when he invites the other guy in . .. when he's actually using movement, moving his head, and being defensive like in the De La Hoya fight, he can be a lot harder to hit. Pac just likes to go to war, that's the main reason he gets hit ... and in the old days, he was really wild and unncoordinated.

    The only punch I see him being vulnerable to is the jab . Straight right hands are supposedly his weakness, but I see him blocking/parrying most of those shots in his recent fights. None of his recent opponents except Clottey could land any right hands, and most of Clotteys shots were parried if you watch the fight closely.
     
  5. AnthonyW

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    If a punch lands, clean, it should be counted as a clean effective punch. Different punches effect different boxers in different ways. A certain punch may hurt or knockdown a boxer. But then that exact same punch may take a good number of rounds to take effect on their opponent...just because it takes longer to register, does that not mean it's not an effective punch?

    He took an uppercut. That was why he posted it, whether he was posting it to get one up on Pacquiao/you or not. An uppercut does not need to land on the chin, nor the temple. He was throwing a shot himself, which possibly means he was not thinking too much about defense. His head was turned because the punch landed.

    An actual video would do the shot justice. Pacquiao took the shot well...I don't believe he was in a position to defend or effect the impact at all.
     
  6. bballchump11

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    Margo, Cotto, Oscar and Hatton aren't known for their right hands.
     
  7. blur

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    so maybe thats why floyd is afraid coz he doesnt have a good right hand?
     
  8. AnthonyW

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    If you look back at my posts, you will see my opinion on the right hand. A boxer with a good right hand, good timing, good distance...can land on Pacquiao.

    I underrate every part of Pacquiao's game? Pacquiao is my second favourite boxer. Just because I don't overrate it, I am underrating it? Bollocks.
     
  9. AnthonyW

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    Clottey's right hand still landed fairly consistently. Pacquiao is somewhat open to the right hand, but he can overcome this.

    De La Hoya, Cotto, nor Hatton had a decent right hand.
     
  10. PH|LLA

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    clean on the chin is not the same as clean on the ear. In fact it's completely different. A fighter takes a clean punch but through his own actions has been able to diminish that punch's effect (in this case by not letting his opponent land on the chin) is what I call defense, but you seem to think it's some kind of luck because Pacquiao is doing it. The scoring criteria is clean, effective punching. Some clean punches are more effective than others, because of things like range and where they land... This not something you can just brush off. A fighter with a good defense takes these things into account as they can completely change the outcome of a fight.

    you say the debate is over, and honestly I think that's a good thing because I don't see how I can make this any more clear to you. The video is up there, the photo is up there.
     
  11. bballchump11

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8_kPRkf5eY[/ame]
     
  12. AnthonyW

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    So just because the punch landed on the "ear"...Pacquiao used his defense to lower the effect of the punch. Whilst trying to land his own shot...

    You give him too much credit. I'm a fan of Mayweather also, but I've had debates/arguments with his biggest fans when they give him far too much credit. They overrate Mayweather, just like you overrate Pacquiao.
     
  13. Gander Tasco

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    I dont see any evidence lately that he's open for right hands. I see him stuffing them 90% of the time. Clottey landed a few good rights hands ,but most of them were parried.

    Manny gets hit as often as he does bc he's very offensive minded... he loves going to war. He can be hard to find when he wants to be, like in the De La Hoya fight.
     
  14. PH|LLA

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    who is your favorite boxer?

    and no, you underrated his ability because you can't see the little things he does that make a big difference in his fights.
     
  15. PH|LLA

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    First of all the fact that you debate MAyweather fans because they overrate him is neither here nor there. You clearly underrate Pacquiao. As for me overrating him, if anything, Pacquiao has outperformed what I expected of him in most of his fights. So where is this evidence that I overrate him? Because I say he smothers uppercuts on the inside and is hard to hit clean with right hands? gtfo. These are things I see on tapes, and if someone else does it, I will give him the same credit for it.