Save your money on these biographies

You did. Are you so wealthy that you can afford to spend your money and you owe it to everyone else to spend yours? Are you telling others that you believe they can't afford to throw their money where they like, but you can? Just quit your incredulous snipe, Klompton.:bart

 

In the book, it tells that he was getting into trouble in a gang as a boy.

So, he did these things as a boy. The details are not in the book, but Klumpty's hero is a grown man, doing his very pathetic dirt. Why is that forgiven? Will Klompy put the horrific things his hero did in his book? If he does, then why the worship?

Also, Papke did foul Ketchel by punching him in the throat instead of the traditional handshake. And, that's one of the reasons why Ketchel was determined to beat hell out of Papke the next bout. Papke wasn't fouled because the ref didn't want to foul him. Ketchel knew why, and he resented that ref for it. I don't mention the ref's name to avoid being swarmed by by the ref's fans.

 

I know, but to be fair to Klompton, all the knowledge in the world wont help him when he is trying to put Greb in the same class as Darcy. It just isnt Possible.

Be fair to Klompton, he is trying bravely but just has nothing to work with:good

 

This has been proven wrong, never had taken place.

 

He won't get fair from this poster. From the very beginning, he's shown his true ass. Klompaholics, beware. If you ever decide to write a book about your personal hero (hope it's not Klompy), make sure you don't say who you are. If you do, he will dog you to death with his rhetorical sniping.

There are tons, and tons of books on famous people from the past. Wouldn't you think that everything that has to be said, must be said already? Is there one author who has covered every miniscule piece of information in one book? Should one author have the end all information on a subject, and no other person should even try to write about what they know? Klompton's angry because his work is not done and published, and that he's afraid he will be attacked by people who don't have the same glorious view of his hero that he has.

I don't know about Greb, except that I've read that he would do anything, no holds barred, to win. Now, that could be viewed as a negative or positive. But, I don't care which because he isn't one of my classic hero boxers. I won't buy Klompton's book, if published, because of that. Not because I want to read it so I can tell other people not to buy it.

 

Who said it was wrong? How did you find proof of that? Where did you find proof of that? Is it also wrong that Papke killed his estranged wife, then killed himself? That alone, shows possibility of that having happened.

 

Ketchel's father was also of partly Russian ancestry. What's your deal? Believing that did not happen is derived from what horse's mouth? The Polish, the Russian, the German (Papke), or the some Ketchel hater's horse's mouth like Klompton?

 

Multiple primary sources prove it wrong.
Type
Ketchel and Papke "hand-shaking" story
in google for a thread started by me at another forum on this subject over a year ago.

 

Hmm... either my memory is playing tricks, or some of the posts in that thread were lost.

 

What's with this Les Darcy vs Harry Greb rivalry? Have people found a more niche fighter to worship now?

 

No, Greb has always been highly regarded, it is just that some slightly misguided americans are trying to give him a shot against Darcy.

 

Fist- There are no next-day accounts that support such an incident. If such a thing happened it would have been huge news. I have seen both the LA Times and LA Examiner next-day coverage (which was extensive as this was a HUGE fight). No mention of any sucker punch. Post-fight interviews with Ketchel, his manager and Referee Jeffries make no mention of any fouls, only that the better man had won. If Papke had cheap shotted Ketchel both he and his manager would have at least given it a small mention. His manager would have screamed bloody murder. Jeffries would have dq'd Papke.

When Papke killed his wife and then himself, it was all over the papers the next day. Not so with any alleged Papke sucker punch to Ketchel.

 

Ketchel-

There's something that would be worth researching for the second printing of your book. Trace the origins of the Papke-Ketchel "sucker punch" myth. Find out where it started and where it was first mentioned in print. That would be something that would be seriously interesting to me or any reader.

Your book could be the first on record to debunk that long standing myth:smoke

 

Surf Bat:

You are forgetting, or you don't know that Jim Jeffries didn't like Ketchel because he was betting on Jack Johnson, and was ushered away from Jeffries training camp when he was preparing to fight Jack Johnson. You are forgetting what time period this was in the USA. Caucasian people wanted a "Great White Hope."


Monte Cox - Boxing Historian writes:

New York Times Sept. 8, 1908:

These are what two newspapers have reported. What are you talking about? :huhGo read the book.

Harry Pegg - Boxing Historian. His own personal round by round account of that fight reprinted in the Boxania Review. 1974.