???What are pac flaws???

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  1. JMP

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    Yeah, he definitely does a fair job working the body. And as mrtony said, the Clottey fight was an awesome body punching display. He definitely did more work down there than Cotto did, who is generally considered one of the best body punchers today.
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    he gets too reckless sometimes.
     
  3. floyd_g.o.a.t

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    Counterpunching and accurate punches is the foundation of an ideal gameplan. Look at the JMM fight.
    Will be sorry for him when he fights floyd.
     
  4. eko718

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    One-dimensional-ism.
     
  5. yingyang

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    Can't speak English well.

    Cant call out a fighter in front of National Television.

    Cant trash talk.

    Cant tell Arum "I wanna fight this guy"

    Cant sing very well

    Cant rap

    Cant bling bling
     
  6. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    On the plus side.
    1. Stamana there is no doubt that he can go 12 even 15 rounds with ease.
    2. Punch output. He throws and lands a lot of punches.
    3. Toughness. He can take a licking and keep on ticking.

    Now to answer the proposed question his flaws.
    1. He takes too many punches. About 30% of the punches thrown at him land. That's not the worst defense. But it's not good either. It will take a lot to stop him see #3 of my pluses. Thous far he has not fought anyone that will make him pay for taking too many punches.
    2. He punches wide. His sorporters like to say he punches from all angles. What he really dose is punch wide leaving himself open to down the line counters.
    3. Not as good going bacckwards as he is going forwards.
     
  7. el mosquito

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    the bum that you described should retire now, he's got no future in boxing lol
     
  8. Requiem4Hvywht

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    Pac has a jab.

    Pac can cut off the ring.

    Pac goes plenty to the body and this is the one aspect of his game shane must take away.

    Pac does have defense, but you can't be offensive without opening yourself up. He takes what he considers to be calculated risks.

    Pac has solved his balance issue; Those days are long gone.

    One dimensional is an over used generalization.
     
  9. el mosquito

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    i've seen pac a lot of times throw his left hand first followed by the straight right in what seems to be a reverse 1-2combo. it takes his opponents by surprise. in the odlh fight he did it a lot of times. he also jabbed a lot in that fight that floyd sr said his main problem wih pac when training hatton is how to eliminate pac's piston jab. it turns out, pac won't be jabbing much against hatton because he intends to catch him with a hook as hatton comes in. in general, pac doesn't rely on the jab, he usually flicks it only to establish a rhythm, or to measure or feel out his opponent. when he gets into a rhythm, he unloads all sorts of punches but the jab disappears because it not built into his unorthodox style. you mght see him jab when he needs to reset or when the game plan calls for it
     
  10. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    I wouldn't call it a flaw.

    They intentionally developed him to be this way. It's one of the best ways to utilize his handspeed. Throwing wide usually leaves you open to being countered, but when you're faster than most guys and do it at the proper range the risk is reduced.

    He throws straight punches, jabs and str8 lefts, on the outside and tries to close the distance with them into mid-range or no man's land. He doesn't throw wide shots from the outside because it would be too easy to see, avoid, and counter looping round punches from far range. Round is slower than str8 and being on the extra distance from being outside makes those punches even slower, so it's not practical to use them outside.

    He pushes off and lunges in with straight outside shots to get where he wants to be. This is why niggs with boxing skills always f*ck him up. Taking small subtle steps back as he throws his str8 shots from the outside prevents him from reducing the gap and entering no man's land.

    No man's land or mid-range is his optimal distance, and it's the perfect place to throw his wider shots with "amazing angles". The distance isn't too great where his opponent can see his punch coming miles away nor is it too close where the other guy can go into emmanuel and smother his shots on the inside.

    A skilled boxer in the pocket would be on emmanuel's chest and make those round shots miss, as they fly pass the skilled boxer's head. This is why the Mexican Gangsters Erik Morales and Juan Marquez were beating his AZZ in the pocket.

    emmanuel and his team realized he can't fight on the inside or clinches for ****, so they taught him his new ear muff guard that he uses on the inside. His forearms being directly in front of his chest don't allow opponents to go into his chest and makes it trickier to clinch. The trade off to this stance is that he eats uppercut sandwiches like subway is running a 2 for $5 special.

    emmanuel's stance in the pocket offers him some protection, but it's flawed.
     
  11. ripcity

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    Because of his speed the risks are reduced, but they are still there.
     
  12. Leon

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    Yes, this is why guys with great jabs, timing, and footwork can beat him up. It'll be hell for him whenever he steps up to the plate against someone with a great jab, timing, footwork, AND has quicker or nearly equal speed.

    emmanuel's style definitely isn't one people should try to mimic if they weren't born with great speed.
     
  13. Requiem4Hvywht

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    I couldn't have said it better. But knowing these people, they won't want to read the post because it's to long.

    This is why it is key to COUNTER Manny first, once you make contact then immediately look to push him back. Either staying at arms length if you have the reach advantage or getting in close pushing back to ropes.

    There you must lean on him, fire shots, then lean on him again. Manny hasn't faced a fighter who is adept on fighting on the inside.

    Neither Cotto or Margo actually use their body as a physical tool on the inside. Both keep their head in the middle (that is a big no no) and they both leave space.

    Shane knows how to the exact opposite. Lets see if he does it.
     
  14. davebenoit

    davebenoit Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chicken Floydie comes to mind when you said that.
     
  15. davebenoit

    davebenoit Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's actually good as he is. :lol: