Pacquiao would have destroyed Salvador Sanchez

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  1. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    What part of Sanchez having problems with southpaws don't people understand? Yes, he was a great all-around fighter, but he wasn't perfect. No fighter is.

    When we talk about history, we tend to gloss over the weaknesses of the greats, or even question their struggles. Time does a good job of erasing negative memories of the ATGs. Sanchez never proved that he could beat a great southpaw fighter, because the only time he fought a southpaw, he almost got knocked out.

    No one wants to hear about it because it's almost a sin to say these things, but facts are facts. Sanchez was great all around, and he may have the edge on PAPER, but Pac had the style to give him nightmares. Intangibles are a *****.
     
  2. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's not a sin,but it is nonsense.Yes,intangibles are a *****.In reality,if you are going to compare the 19 year old Chava with the 23 year old one,go ahead.That just demonstrates your lack of knowledge.Fine.But Manny was ko'd twice,which is something that NEVER happened to Chava.NEVER.Manny(a fighter I've a ton of respect for)is a great fighter,but not perfect.And as YOU said,no fighter is.Consider this for a moment.Lopez and Nelson,2 ATG punchers at 126,couldn't put a dent in Chava's chin,as he proved how hard he was.But yet,according to your logic,Chava would lose to Manny at 126 because Manny's a southpaw.****,I would have loved to have seen this fellow Escobar against Little Red or Azumah.And as far as Manny's resume at 126,it's not as good as Chava's.Just as a reminder,Manny lost to MAB(another fighter I've nothing but respect and admiration for) at 126,so so much for perfection or imperfection(whatever).Now,most importantly as we are judging this one on intangibles.Chava had one of the highest boxing IQ's I've ever seen.Manny had loads of problems with counterpuncher JMM(a fighter who does NOTHING better than Chava did).At 126,Chava outpoints Manny based on all the evidence.And it's quite easy to see.
     
  3. Kel1981

    Kel1981 P4P No.1 Full Member

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    :lol: True!
     
  4. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    Paragraphs, man. And he lost to MAB? Well, that's definitely news to me. Last I remember, he kicked the **** out of MAB, who was consider one of the top 3 P4P fighter at the time.

    The time between his fight with Escobar and Little Red was 1 year, 10 months...not the 4 years you're exaggerating. After he fought Escobar, he fought a bunch of BUMS, before making a HUGE leap up in competition.

    Did he make that much of an improvement in 1.8 years that he went from almost getting KO"ed by a mediocre southpaw to beating a top fighter? Or was it because of the style of Escobar that gave him hell. I think it's the latter.

    If we're basing things on evidence, there is no evidence that Sanchez would easily outpoint Pac. However, there is REAL evidence that Sanchez cannot handle southpaws. Escobar was the only and the last southpaw he fought in his career.
     
  5. GTSK

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    Pacquiao would beat Sanchez worse than Barrera got it. Sanchez has a good win over gomez but Pacquiao just beat a better and bigger puerto rican in cotto.
     
  6. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Suck a mediocre "Pinoy" dick". :hi:
     
  7. GTSK

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    No thanks.
     
  8. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hey GtSK I am sure we will never see you on this board again after Pac retires... Just like most of the *******s. Just a bunch of flash in the pan no nothing Pac fans.
     
  9. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sorry,I mixed Mab up with Morales.Btw,:lol:**** paragraphs.And just what the hell did I exaggerate?Your complete opinion is based on ONE FIGHT AND ONE FIGHT ONLY.Are you completely joking?One fight.ONE.Think about it.You:Salvador Sanchez can't handle southpaws because he had trouble with Escobar.Therefore Manny Pacquiao would have "destroyed" Chava(your words).OK,my turn.Chava would have whooped Manny because despite being knocked down THREE TIMES in the 1st round,Marquez(a fighter that does nothing better than Chava did)came back,gave Manny hell and ARGUABLE WON.That's real evidence:an actual occurance.Manny has a ton of trouble with intelligent counterpunchers.Fact.Evidence.
     
  10. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No.1st off,Sal's better than MAB.And Miguel's my present fav,and I ****ing HATE Gomez.But,p4p,Gomez is definitely better than Cotto.AND Sal beat Gomez worse than Pac beat Cotto.Plus the Cotto that Manny beat was shopworn and had already been stopped.
     
  11. MetalLicker

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    If Sanchez got dropped 3 times in the first round, he probably won't have gotten up. What you said is not evidence. You just took the best of every Mexican fighter Pac has ever fought and assume that Sanchez had all those qualities. It's just your imagination, or perhaps wishful thinking.

    Your fantasy is not reality and it will never be. Not every fighter has JMM's recuperating abilities. MAB was also an intelligent counterpuncher...he countered the **** out of Hamed. JMM is a unique fighter in the history of boxing. Sanchez may or may not have the same abilities...but you are just assuming he does.

    Sanchez struggling with a southpaw is not speculation. It's not fantasy. It's fact. He fought a southpaw and he almost got knocked out. There has been numerous great fighters in history who were baffled by southpaw. Roy Jones was one of them. Harry Greb also struggled with southpaws. Why should we excluded Sanchez?
     
  12. bandeedo

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    of course he is going to improve in 2 years. you have to put the situation in its proper context. sal started his career at 16 after something ridiculous like 6 amateur fights, and took this loss after 3 years of learning. by his fifth year of learning and developing, he is ko world class fighters. by his 7th year of polishing, he had walked through hof fighters. he hadnt even reached his technical peak or physical prime yet. can you imagine a 28 yo sanchez after improving and perfecting his craft for 12 years?
     
  13. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's what these guys aren't getting. They're comparing a polished welter Pac to one of the best featherweights of all time. Pacquaio was not the well rounded boxer/puncher he is now at the weight he would have faced Sanchez in. He was a great swarmer who struggled against boxers.
     
  14. ryan_c

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    Good point, there are some Pacquiao critiques who told that Pacquio did not improve tremendously ,they argue that Pac did not face another great counter puncher like JMM that is why Pac is so impressive nowadays, so if that is the logic, then don't argue that after his fight against that southpaw, Sanchez have improved,or maybe it is just Sanchez did not face another southpaw again, but the fact is Sanchez struggled bad against a southpaw and that southpaw is not on the level of Pacquiao.

    Looking that many fighters struggled against southpaw, Sanchez has struggled and look bad against a southpaw and Pacquiao is one of the best southpaw ever, I believe Pac has a good chance in this fight.
     
  15. MetalLicker

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    If Pac was just ordinary at feather, I wonder who was extraordinary. There hasn't been a better feather since Pac left the division. A featherweight pac is not as good as he is today, but he was anything but ordinary.

    MAB Was a great boxer, a well-rounded boxer/puncher, a man who arguably beat morales all 3 times. His boxing display against Hamed was a masterpiece. Pac was able to run him over with relative ease. Ordinary, right.

    Sanchez had no experience fighting southpaws. He looked great against orthodox fighters, but so did Wladimir before Sanders turned his world upside down.