Hagler Hearns 2

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  1. 80s champs

    80s champs Active Member Full Member

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    What would the result have been had they met the night of the Mugabi/Shuler fights over a year after they first met on April 15th of 85.? Hearns was a more filled out middleweight and looked:happy Great,and Hagler had slipped a bit since they first met. The result??
     
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  3. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    I honestly think the fact that Hearns hurt him so quickly in the first fight means if he got some distance and landed that right on Hagler, that he could stop Hagler. There is a reason why Hagler stuck so close to Hearns. I think the rematch would be all Hearns, and Hagler never fighting him again shows he knew something. Hearns would have started the fight slower than the first fight and so would Hagler, which would benefit Hearns jab and setting up the right. If Hearns gets the right rhythm he would easily hit Marvin. I think Hearns might have gotten a 4th round knockout in the rematch. Going 12 with Hagler would have been hard for Tommy ,but the way he beats Marvin is by stopping him.
     
  4. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Hagler was not prime when they actually met. Hagler's best years were between 80-84. Hagler didn't have the bounce in his legs when he fought Hearns and I think he had to resort to slugging because of the decline in footspeed. Hearns would have fought smarter but I think Hagler stops him again except later than the firs fight. Hagler Tko around rounds 5-7.
     
  5. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    I see Hearns staying at range and picking Hagler apart with jabs and straights. TKO.
     
  6. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As most know the hagler vs mugabi and hearns vs shuler card was the build up to hagler hearns 2. i heard hearns got a big bonus for taking shuler out before 4 rounds were completed. the sugar ray vs hagler fight replaced hagler hearns 2.when i heard the news i was pissed off because i was hoping tommy would win the rematch. who would win? i dont know. thats why the fight would have been so exciting. i would have been rooting for hearns big time because he was my favorite fighter.
     
  7. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hearns did chase the fight but I don't think Hagler fancied it. Not like he "feared" Hearns but he knew what he would have to walk through in order to win and he had already won in spectacular fashion. A rematch would've been all reward for Hearns, not Hagler.

    In the case it had happened, I see Hagler again putting on the pressure but this time with less aggression as I don't see him getting caught early and seeing red, not to mention having blood running on his face. Hearns would try to stick and move from the outset, not excited by the early success with his right, but Hagler's pressure and bodypunching would get to him by the middle rounds. Hearns I doubt could withstand a furious rally by Hagler in the late rounds and the fight would eventually be stopped with Hearns worn out, having once again put up an effort worth congratulating. Leonard would have been licking his chops from seeing these men go through another grueling war.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    Hagler would knock him out again.
     
  9. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hagler would have been more patient with his aggression, and would have stopped Hearns in the 5th or 6th.

    Hearns didn't sting Hagler in the first fight with a sweet 1-2 or something like that. Hagler charged him like a bull seeing red, and spent the first 90 seconds of the fight walking recklessly into everything Hearns could muster up to hit him with. Hearns success in the fight was as much do to Hagler trying to massacre him as anything else.

    Granted, that Tommy had already broken his right hand and thrown over 100 punches(in addition to being thwacked on the ribs real hard a couple times) in the second, but in the 2 rounds after the barn burner first that led to Hagler's KO victory, we saw him calm down every so slightly, and start to pass Hearns jab and take his offense on angles rather than rushing in on straight lines. The difference showed radically: Hearns struggled to hit him with anything significant, right or left hand, after that first.

    If Hagler adopts that gameplan earlier, two things happen-Less openings are created for Hearns bombs, and Hearns hand probably doesnt break. This, to me, leads to a Hagler middle rounds victory, with the scorecards close when he finally breaks through. Hagler could take a couple of big shots if Hearns managed to set them up. He showed that much. The second Marvin really started to get through and land flush, Tommy would begin to weaken.
     
  10. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with everything you said here.
     
  11. 80s champs

    80s champs Active Member Full Member

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    I know this is a silly question,but if Hearns caught Hagler flush like he did Duran at the fights end ,would Hagler fall? Hagler in that fight with Hearns really kept his hands up,and kept coming in. If he became careless and Hearns agressively caught him like Duran. thoughts? That punch on Duran was one of the hardest I've ever seen.
     
  12. R.B.J

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    Tommy would win a close 12 round decision. Shortly before the fight Manny walked in on a groupie/***** giving Hearns a deep tissue leg massage. According to Manny, this masssage relaxed the muscles in Tommy's legs. Therefore he couldn't follow the game plan, which was to stick and move and fight Hagler from the outside. When Tommy tried to get on his bicycle in round 3 his legs were so shot he ended up turning his back on Hagler. If Manny could do it all over again he would make sure that no whores were part of Tommys entourage.
     
  13. 80s champs

    80s champs Active Member Full Member

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    We have to remember though,from what I saw,Hearns was starting to outbox Hagler in the third until Marvin saw the red,and went after him
     
  14. MAG1965

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    I answered this a few months ago, but I think Hearns wins it. Hagler fought the fight of his life in April of 1985 and was cut up and wobbled. I think the next fight Hearns boxes and Hagler fights less aggressive, which means he is more at Hearns a distance Hearns wants to land the right, and the right did hurt Hagler in the first fight. To say Hagler would beat Hearns easily is not thinking much about this fight. I think Hearns wins by TKO on cuts in about 7 or mid rounds. . I am not sure what I said a few posts up months ago, but it would be similar to what I have here.
     
  15. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wholeheartedly agree.

    Tactics and strategy and the Petronelli's would not have Marvin coming out at the opening bell pressing the accelerator to the floor. Pressure, but not the all out blitz. And make Tommy use those legs and absorb for 5 rounds. Hearns still as a lot to overcome from being put in a heap at the end of their first fight.

    I don't see Hearns fighting a gunslinger style and doing more along the lines of that Barkley rematch and acknowledging a lesson learned from the first fight.