Ariza: Altitude training is counterproductive

It makes sense , whatever sport you are in , your training should mirror the real thing.

The only time you should train at altitude is if you are fighting at altitude. Other wise everybody would be doing it.

 

interesting....i also remember reading an article where a US Olympic Commitee physician claim that EPO is not that effective.

 

If you are fighting in high altitude then it would be smart to get your body use to performing in it. But Shane isn't in big bear for the altitude, in fact it really isn't that high up. He is there because he is comfortable and no distractions.

Everything else Ariza said is total nonsense because it pretends altitude is the cause of those problems when this isn't true. To make this simple to understand, if you were stranded in the mountains without food and water, the altitude would exacerbate the situation. Shane isn't ****ing stranded, hahahahahahaha, he is merely training there.

Ariza is so ****ing overrated and stupid.

 

blah blah blah blah, just watch Shane's last two fights Ariza. Who gives an F about high altitude training. No amount of training is going to help Mosley idiot. He's OLD and not a glimpse of his prime.

 

As others have said live at high altitude, train low. I'm a sports science student and that is a fact. You can't train at as high an intensity at higher altitudes, and fitness for a sport like boxing requires high intensity.

 

You are wrong. Do some research before claiming something is bull****.

 

victor conte said the same thing

 

Ariza may have a point, but he is now more assuming things than actually relying on the latest scientific display regarding hypoxic training. I wouldn't personally train Shane (fitness-wise) as they are doing atm, but even Ariza can't be sure about how Mosley's cardiovascular system adapts back to the sea level.

Don't take Alex's words as pure science, because this is mainly his personal insight more than absolutely proven fact although there is much truth, partially, into what he is saying.

Here is an example (abstract) of the latest studies in this particular field:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20020784

 

it all depends on the acclimation time at the elevation of the fight that is provided. The increased red cells will bring more o2, and slow down IF no acclimation occurs. If ample acclimation-which varys between fighters- it is a plus.

 

And because you cant train at as high an intensity at the higher altitudes in terms of reps,duration, speed, volume etc , does that mean your muscles and lungs wont be screaming due to the decreased oxygen in the blood stream? You will still be training intensly due to decreased oxygen in the blood , therefore you will be making gains. More research is probly needed on the subject, but i believe the training intensity is all relative to the fuel you have on hand eg oxygen or glucose.

I think anything that forces an athlete to train with a handicap is great for conditioning for all sports, it is harder to run in the morning on no breakfast at 6am,than it is to run fully fueled up when the body is at optimum operating temperature at 6pm, you will perform much better in terms of times and speed at 6pm, but does that mean your 6am run on no fuel isnt doing **** in comparison? i think not, but this is my take on the subject.:good

 

When training at altitude lactic acid production isn't as high, that means your body isn't going to build up as much tolerance to lactic acid. Central adaptions are the most important for increased fitness, at altitude cardiac output is lower. That combined with the inevitable dehydration that comes from training at altitude dramatically decreases exercise intensity.
Training in a weakened state is not beneficial in any way, because something is harder doesn't mean it's better for you, that's old fashioned thinking with no basis in logic or science.
And no, research isn't needed when it comes to the things we are talking about in this thread, this is basic stuff that has been proven time and time and again. What Ariza is saying isn't revolutionary in any way, every exercise physiologist will tell you the exact same thing.
Training at altitude only helps when competition is at altitude, and again that's only with some events.

 

That study is focused on peripheral adaptions which are shown to increase with altitude training, the problem is that central adaptions which are far more relevant to overall performance are lessened at altitude so overall performance decreases.
That's the idea about living at altitude and training at sea level, gain the peripheral adaptions at altitude and improve the central adaptions by performing high intensity exercise at sea level.
Mosley's physiology is the same as everybody elses, he's not some freak of nature. What Ariza is saying is science.
When my lecturer who works at the national institute of sport over here training elite cyclists says training at altitude is a waste of time and dismisses it without a second thought then that's good enough for me. And if it wasn't there are many journal artices/studies and text books out there saying the same thing.

 

Yeah sounds very scientific and all, but i think its much simpler than that, science is not 100% accurate anyway, my good friend got back from afganistan not long ago after serving a year there,he is the fittest soldier of the bunch, we did a week training camp upon his arrival, and he broke pbs which he hadnt done in years, me and him are neck and neck normaly, but he smashed me at every thing and i train daily, and he wasnt training much when he was there.

go figure.

 

Isn't Baguiao at high altitude?

 

This is only partly true. First of all, Big Bear isn't all that high up, about 6,500 ft up. If that's high enough to wear his body out, why didn't Pac get worn out training in Baguiao (sp?) which is about 5,500ft up?

What's true is the part that I highlighted. Your body adjusts the the oxygen level you're at within 12 hours or so, ad******g levels of 2,3BPG and the like, so whatever oxygen retaining qualities your body had at altitude are lost almost immediately. High altititude training only makes real sense if you're competing at high elevation.

That being said, I doubt Big Bear is high enough up to make a real difference. He's not training at Base Camp Everest or something.

Edit: PH|LLA beat me to it.